Sonia, I wonder if the family finder test could illuminate the possibility for you? Nancy Jean
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:20:38 -0500 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions It's also interesting to note that there was active movement between Brazil & Portugal as soon as the Portuguese colonized it. It wasn't just a matter of folks leaving and then never returning. And much like there are stories in the US of African-Americans "passing" for "white", the same can be said for Brazilian-Portuguese. In my maternal line, my grandfather's grandmother supposedly arrived from Brazil either pregnant, or she became pregnant, shortly thereafter, this story in combination with some medical issues that my mother and I have that are normally attributed to African populations, makes us think that somewhere along the line there was some African DNA From: "nancy jean baptiste" <[email protected]> To: "azores group" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:01:08 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions Thanks Manoel, I'm glad to have an idea of those dates and would love to read any books that anyone might know of regarding the subject. My most distant ancestor behind my father is 10 generations behind him.....Paulo Brasil, 1586 born in Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge. I need to look at his record in the CCA site again since I don't have the hard copy to see if he was a pai incognito....guess I'll wait til it's back up and see what I can discover. I've only searched Sao Jorge CCA records but don't remember seeing any "esravco or prostituta's" but I certainly could have missed them since my Portuguese leaves something to be desired! Thanks for the words.... Nancy Jean > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:25:54 -0200 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Hi Nancy, > > The algerian pirates raided the Azores islands mostly during the > spanish rule, 1580-1640. > > Manoel > > > 2012/2/21 nancy jean baptiste <[email protected]>: > > Hi Rick, > > > > E1b1b2a is my fathers YDNA. While it is from Africa it originated in the > > Berber tribes of Algeria and Morocco around 7000 years ago. So North Africa > > and Berber/Moor. Very different features from South Africa but also held as > > slaves by the Portuguese. My Dad's paternal line is from the Topo area of > > Sao Jorge and I've always wondered if his DNA is the result of raids by > > Algerian pirates who I've read were active raiders in the Azores. However, > > I've had difficulty finding information regarding the years of the raids and > > areas they attacked although our neighbors on Pico said that they built > > homes up in Terra Alta rather than down in Baia do Canto because it was > > safer from the pirate raids in days of old. I do have a few ancestors from > > Norte Grande but they're on my Mom's side. > > > > Also, what are the portuguese words in the records for "slave" and > > "prostitute"? > > > > Thanks, > > Nancy Jean > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions > > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 07:49:25 -0600 > > > > > > In answer your question on DNA. The Y-DNA test will only provide data for > > the direct male line that is your father, his father, his Grandfather and so > > on. So The Y-DNA will only show a small spectrum of a person’s DNA. If the > > Y-DNA Halplogroup falls into certain groups (E1b1b or A or B. and to some > > extent J1 & J2) that would indicate an African origin but that could be > > anthropological (I am talking Fred Flintstone). > > > > > > > > The same would apply to MtDNA. My dad’s MtDNA is L2 which is African origin. > > This could be anthropological (Wilma Flintstone) in nature also. But MtDNA > > only shows a small spectrum which is the maternal line. > > > > > > > > A better picture of recent African origin would be the family finder test. > > This will show results which go back 5-6 generations and will show a > > combination of all ancestors in that range. > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator > > Azores DNA Project > > > > > > > > Spring, Texas > > > > > > > > Researching Sao Miguel Azores, Riberinha, Riberia Grande, Bretanha, Achada > > Grande, Ponta Delgada. > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > Mary Bordi > > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:22 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 19, 2012, at 9:16 AM, joao ventura wrote: > > > > > > > > The number of slaves is not significant, but there are two brothers, former > > slaves, that became free and one of them has descendants until today. > > > > > > > > If any of those on the list who know about DNA are reading this-- > > > > > > > > Would this show up in the Y DNA test of his descendants? > > > > > > > > I have only been able to trace my maternal mtDNA in Norte Grande but I was > > curious if it would show up for those who were able to test the male line. > > > > > > > > There are two independent communities: Norte Grande and Santo António. It is > > like two different villages, who share a common church. The richer people > > live in Norte Grande, while the poor live in Santo António. People from one > > place don't usually marry someone from the other. > > > > > > > > That was certainly true of my family. I had come to that conclusion, so it's > > interesting that it's really true. I know some people who came from Santo > > Antonio and was joking with them that we might be cousins. But probably > > not... > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when > > they arrive. > > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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