Out of curiosity, I "googled" consanguinity and came across some very
interesting reading. Seems the definitions of degrees have changed over
time but; below is the current Catholic ruling. Sam in CA
ON THE FATHER'S SIDE
ON THE MOTHER'S SIDE
4 --
Their
great-
grand-
children
4 --
Their
great-
grand-
children
4 --
Their
children
4 --
Great-
grand-
nephew/
niece
-- 4 --
Their
grand-
children
-- 3 --
Their
grand-
children
-- 3 --
Second
cousins
-- 3 --
Grand-
nephew/
niece
-- 4 --
Their
children
-- 3 --
Their
children
-- 2 --
First
cousins
-- 2 --
Nephew
Niece
-- 4 --
Great-
great-
uncle/
aunt
-- 3 --
Great-
uncle/
aunt
-- 2 --
Uncle
Aunt
-- 1 --
Brother
Half-
brother
-- 4 --
Great-
great-
grand-
father/
mother
-- 3 --
Great-
grand-
father/
mother
-- 2 --
Grand-
father/
mother
-- 1 --
Father
Mother
John
Mary
1
Son
Daughter
2
Grandson
Grand-
daughter
3
Great-
grand-
children
4
Great-
great-
grand-
children
-- 4 --
Great-
great-
uncle/
aunt
-- 3 --
Great-
uncle/
aunt
-- 2 --
Uncle
Aunt
-- 1 --
Sister
Half-
sister
-- 4 --
Their
children
-- 3 --
Their
children
-- 2 --
First
cousins
-- 2 --
Nephew
Niece
-- 4 --
Their
grand-
children
-- 3 --
Their
grand-
children
-- 3 --
Second
cousins
-- 3 --
Grand-
nephew/
niece
-- 4
Their
great-
grand-
children
-- 4
Their
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Michael Gilfilian
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 12:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] definition
Thanks Cheri for posting it yet again for me, from the marriage records it
appears that my GGG grandfather kept it in the family both times he got
married. The second time they were first cousins...boy ooh boy
On Jul 14, 2012 1:07 PM, "Cheri Mello" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Mike,
I made a post about this a month ago. Here it is again:
<<Degrees of consanguinity:
1st degree: uncle/niece or aunt/nephew marriage
2nd degree: 1st cousins
3rd degree: 2nd cousins
4th degree: 3rd cousins
Consanguinity (consanguinidade in Portuguese) means related by blood, such
as cousins. Affinity (affinidade in Portuguese) means related by marriage.
Example: the wife dies so the hubby marries his sister-in-law.
When a degree of consanguinity or affinity happens, a document called a
dispensation for the marriage had to be made from the Church or in some
cases, Rome. Some exist and some don't. Because the Diocese seat for the
Azores is in Angra, these records are in the archive in Angra. An index to
these records will be online someday. >>
So Mike, you did answer one of your questions. Consanguinity means that
they were related, and specifically, by blood.
What type of info will the dispensation papers get you? There's not a set
format like the baptisms, marriages, and deaths. It's a collection of
papers with the priest interviewing the couple with documentation of how the
couple is related. All of that or some of that may be in the dispensation
packet. I'm not sure how many are fairly close to complete. Joao Ventura
would know since he works with them the most. And some dispensations were
lost too :(
I've seen 2 dispensations. In one of mine, Vitorino wanted to marry Maria
(2nd cousins). The reason given was that the people in the freguesia saw
Vitorino going over to Maria's house a bit too often. So Maria was getting
a reputation (that's modern words - this was the mid-1700s and I don't
remember their words, except now it comes across as kind of funny).
Vitorino felt bad about Maria getting a reputation from his visits and
because Maria was getting this reputation, no man would want her. So he
said he would marry her. I remember Joao kind of laughing at that point,
saying that's probably the story that they told the priest, because they
just wanted to get married. Then there were separate interviews with
Vitorino and Maria. The priest asked Vic if he ever kissed Maria or held
hands. Vic said he did nothing with Maria. Maria's paperwork said she did
nothing with Vic. So the priest said that Vic had to fast so many days (or
certain days) and pray the rosary (for what?? Thinking his cousin was
cute??)
The other one was for 1st cousins, in the early 1800s. Manuel wanted to
marry Maria. She had already given birth to a couple of his kids. He met
Maria when he was working at his uncle's. This priest really let Maria have
it. It said something like "Maria was a poor and miserable girl, giving in
to the flesh..." The priest didn't say a word about Manuel being a horny
dude, going after his cousin, seducing her, or anything. It was all on
Maria. Um, it takes two! But that's the way it was then. I think Maria's
father kicked her out of the house for getting pregnant (I wonder if Manuel
kept working for him?) And the priest reiterated that Maria was a poor and
miserable girl. Poor didn't mean financially here. I think both had some
money or land (that was in the dispensation too). The poor and miserable
part had to do with the spirit and not being strong enough to resist
Manuel's advances.
So that's a sample of what could be in a dispensation. They are all
different.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada
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