Are the records of foundlings or illegitimate children available online or on microfilm?
I have a great-grandfather, Joao Inacio da Silva from Faial, for whom I cannot find any records beyond the baptism certificate of his child, Jose. In the baptism certificate, Joao, the father, is shown as "natural de freguesia Horta" and it goes on to say "paterno de avos incognitos." I hope I am correct about my translation that this means that the child's grandparents (parents of Joao) are unknown. Jose was born in Horta (Conceicao), Faial. Family lore says that he was the child of the local priest and a village girl, but we have no idea which village or church. The story goes further to state that the priest returned and married the girl, but again, there is no evidence to support the story. Diane George From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Raposo Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 8:56 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com; azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on "unknown father' Doug is correct in his explanation and observations. I would add that big places like Ponta Delgada and Vila Franca, etc, often had convents, with their lazy Susan wheels. This meant that instead of just abandonning a child in a tiny rural village where he might not be "found" right away, the child was immediately (unanymously and with the mother unseen by the institution) taken in by the foundling home/convent instead of being left exposed "exposto" to the elements and the mercy of a chance discovery. The problem is that these convents often did not have enough wet nurses available to take in all of the babies taken in and the death rate was even higher for those children than for the ones who were placed, although the death rate for them was also higher than average. Although the rate of abandonned children was high in the towns and cities, it was also alarmingly high in the villages in the 18th to mid 19th centuries. There are probably two reasons for this: 1- Poverty/too many mouths to feed and not enough land to produce as much food as needed (When the government started paying a stipend to the unwed mother for the care and maintainance of the child, the rate of abandonment dropped dramatically around 1850); 2- the stigma of giving birth to a child outside of marriage. In the villages, the identity of the parents of many of these children of unknown parentage was an open secret. From: "p...@dholmes.com <mailto:p...@dholmes.com> " <p...@dholmes.com <mailto:p...@dholmes.com> > To: azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 7:56 AM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on "unknown father' Hi Eileen, You are not reading the records correctly. Pai = father Pais = parents (also means country, but not in this case). So what you are talking about are children abandoned and the women married to men are known as the "ama" or wet nurses given the charge of caring for them. These children are called "expostos" or foundlings and if they should live to adulthood might choose the surname of these foster parents, but not always, by any means. Expostos tend to be greater in larger locations. Check out the volume of them in a city like Angra where they had separate books for some time periods. Same for Ponta Delgada's parishes. The reason for this might be, or probably is that they were brought from outside villages to the main villages or city. If the woman was single and kept the child, the record usually reads "filho/a natural de ..." and then the name of the mother. Often, but not always the father will be listed as pai incognito, or simply not mentioned. Good luck, Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on "unknown father' From: "Eileen Leite" <eileenle...@seleite.com <mailto:eileenle...@seleite.com> > Date: Sat, December 08, 2012 12:03 am To: <azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> > I have been reading baptismal records from Matriz Mae de Deus, Povoacao, Sao Miguel, in 1811-1818. I see what I think is a high number of illegitimate births, "Pais incognito" and "(child) natural", and have some questions. 1. It seems that almost every time there is a Pais incognito (father unknown), the record notes that the mother is married to a named someone who is NOT the father of the child. (Casada com or mulher de) Rarely it will say "pais incognito" and (Mother) solteira. If the mother is single, the format is usually different, and says merely "(Child) of (Mother), Single" or "(Child) natural of (Mother)" . Does the priest have a choice in what he writes, or is there a different implication in the format chosen for the record? 2. I counted 13 illegitimate children in a mere 36 pages, or 72 records. That is 18%. Of these, 9 were born to mothers married to men other than the father. Removing the babies born to single mothers, 2 in 15 babies born to married women were not of her husband. This seems really high to me. Were the husbands away for some reason? Or was there a reason a woman would not claim her own husband to be the father of the child? Just wondering what was going on. Would anyone know why there were so many illegitimate births? Thanks! Eileen Leite Currently seeking Rebellos/Rabellos and de Frias in Povoacao, And Brandao in Nordeste. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. 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