Hey Doug, Jorge Forjaz is a cousin of mine (not direct, though), and my family goes right where you mentioned: Ornelas Bruges. So, as you can see, I got that side pretty much covered :)
I have a bunch of pictures that my grandma left me. Especially the ones related with Tomé Dart de Castro and his family, but also others... let me know. Also I met this guy who works for a photo-shop and he has amazing footage of vulcão dos Capelinhos, 1980 Earthquake, etc. I am trying to get all the movies the guy has - he no interest in that whatsoever (!!) What geneology program would you advise me to use? Thank you. Cheers, Rod Sexta-feira, 3 de Maio de 2013 5:16:35 UTC, Doug Holmes escreveu: > > Hi Rod, > > Your comment about pictures in Terceira caught my attention. Are you > saying you have some ancestors from there? If so, I would be interested in > the most recent one. I'll know their ancestors, so just the most recent one > is enough. Which book by Forjaz has your family? He has several. > > As for verifications needed or not, in my experience, most genealogy books > concentrate on particular families and so I would suspect there are many > branches unexplored in the book. Even if your family was something like the > Ornelas Bruges line which is just about as illustrious as you can get for > Terceira, there are many branches unknown in books. I handed my late cousin > in Angra, Dr. Jose Leal Armas, a copy of all his Flores, S.Jorge and > Terceira ancestors and also those of his wife's side (Ornelas Bruges) and I > know there are always "less important" branches that remain untouched by > such books. > > If you are not using a genealogy program and just a spread sheet program, > I suggest you convert over soon. It's way easier with a real genealogy pgm. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for AMARANTE, MACHADO, AZEVEDO, > BETTENCOURT, SILVEIRA, in Velas, S. Jorge > From: TheAussieRod <[email protected] <javascript:>> > Date: Thu, May 02, 2013 7:17 pm > To: [email protected] <javascript:> > > Wow, Doug! Thanks a lot for your time and energy. > > First thing comes to mind is that I am already into what you called CCA. > There's where I got "that far" (for me) on my ancestry records. I mean, if > I say some particular name is from my family, I say it because I can back > that with facts. In the name of History! :) > > Regarding the family tree online, I think I will follow your advise and > ponder... until I come up with a decision, I will continue to use my > spiced-up Excel book. > > I surfed a bit throughout your site and I manage to detect a gap regarding > S. Jorge; so as far as I can be any good, you can count on me. Let me know. > > Which leads me to my Ribeira Seca family... maybe you can put me through > with Ms. Susan Edvalson, or maybe you can spot them in your Ribeira Seca > research, since I got into late 1700s, as goes: > > Antonio Silveira Bello, son of* Manuel Silveira Bello* and *Joana Dias de > Borba*. > The only fact I got is the marriage of Antonio, in 14 September 1812, with: > Rita Inacia d'Avila, daughter of *Manuel Machado? Matos?* and *Maria > Inacia* > *The underscored names should be living in the late 1700s...* > * > * > I have lots of pictures from my family since late 1800s in Terceira. This > is my father' side; my mother' side is completely verified in the books of > Jorge Forjaz (no work to be done here) > > Thanks again for your support. > Let me know if I can be helpfull. > Cheers, > Rod > > Quinta-feira, 2 de Maio de 2013 19:47:52 UTC, Doug Holmes escreveu: >> >> Hi Rod, >> >> Not sure what you mean by building a family tree online. Do you mean with >> online resources like CCA? Or do you mean posting it online? >> >> I never post my family tree online, but not for the usual privacy reason. >> It's because my genealogy is so extensive that it conflicts with the fact I >> do this professionally. I know other professionals who never post a single >> thing about their own families, probably for the same reason. >> >> For most people, posting online is a good idea, but there was some recent >> discussion about how people take info from what you post and use it in ways >> that are sometimes crazy - like when they are not even related. Then they >> mix up people and have sons attached to the grandfather, or other such >> nonsense. >> >> I don't know if Ancestry.com is the best place. I know it's one place >> with some valuable tools for you. But you might have to be a member. And >> there is the LDS genealogy website for this same purpose. >> >> Others have their own websites and with Google searches, it's practically >> the same as posting on the big websites. If you don't have a website and >> would like to find a way to somehow fit this goal into how I present things >> on mine, you're welcome to do it through me. There are things like my >> Ancestral Photo Gallery where you could post some of the great pictures you >> mention and then have a link to the genealogies of these people. I'm sure >> that would generate interest and possible leads to viewers looking to find >> distant relations. You could also post yourself as a genealogist for Velas, >> for instance, on my Portuguese Genealogist Master List and again link the >> names to a face and to a genealogy. >> >> One thing to remember, whatever you post online will forever be out of >> your control. People can take the info and do whatever they want with it. >> That's the reason people often want to stay private, but it does go against >> the idea of finding relatives. So it's something you have to balance in >> your own mind. >> >> I did look to see if the names you mentioned are already people I found >> and I came up empty. But I imagine with an extra generation, the chances go >> way up, since as you noticed, these names are popular on Sao Jorge. I found >> some with the same exact name, but from another generation or even another >> century. >> >> There are some on this list who are probably the greatest authorities >> with regards the families of certain select villages on Sao Jorge. Marcio >> de Borba comes to mind for Calheta, for instance. Maybe also for Ribeira >> Seca. I have done extensive research of the Ribeira Seca families in the >> 1700s, so I'll surely recognize your families once you get that far. >> >> There is a lady named Susan Edvalson who lives outside of the Sacramento, >> California area who has been compiling a comprehensive database of all from >> Ribeira Seca and I think also Norte Grande or maybe it's Calheta. She might >> not be on this list, but I have been in recent touch with her so I can put >> you two together, if you like. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Doug da Rocha Holmes >> Sacramento, California >> Pico & Terceira Genealogist >> 916-550-1618 >> www.dholmes.com >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for AMARANTE, MACHADO, AZEVEDO, >> BETTENCOURT, SILVEIRA, in Velas, S. Jorge >> From: TheAussieRod <[email protected]> >> Date: Thu, May 02, 2013 11:00 am >> To: [email protected] >> >> Thanks, Doug. I will check that book for sure, especially if I have >> another branch in Ribeira Seca, with completely different names, ie, Bello, >> Dias de Borba, Machado, Silveira, Avila... >> My grandma died in March, and before she died, she gave me this task to >> do: find my ancestry from S. jorge, which is what I am doing. It has been >> rewarding to find new people, new stories. So, most probably I will >> continue my search until I fit them into a context, build a story, you >> know. By the way, my grandma was born in 1916 and she had a ton of photos >> and other records.. >> >> I would like to build my family tree online; would you advise me into the >> one mostly used by Azoreans? Or other? >> >> Thank you, Doug. >> Cheers, >> Rod >> >> >> Quinta-feira, 2 de Maio de 2013 5:29:18 UTC, Doug Holmes escreveu: >>> >>> Hi Rod, >>> >>> I'll check my records and see if I happened to record them. >>> >>> As for Amarante, I am pretty sure I have seen people using this surname >>> on Sao Jorge and the women were not given the "Dona" title, while others >>> were. Without knowing more about who used it and who didn't, it's hard to >>> say. >>> >>> But here's how it works. >>> Firstly, it is used by either royalty and the lesser nobility. There are >>> no royals found in the Azores, with the exception of a rare stay by someone >>> in the 1600s who had taken refuge. But there are tons of noble families. >>> Many of the original settlers were of this class. And I do mean class. They >>> were surely the upper class and acted like it, just as one can imagine what >>> that means. The women were given the use of Dona and if the family remained >>> wealthy and important, or at least maintained ties and were remembered as >>> having such ancestors, they kept using Dona. >>> >>> There is also the use of Dona a little more loosely. This is for wealthy >>> families who might not have any links in recent generations to the noble >>> class. When one of my ancestors returned from Chile as a rich man to >>> Terceira, his daughters were given this title by priests recording their >>> names. But they had no recent nobility and so this is an example of wealth >>> and current status. >>> >>> So the question is the status of your ancestors when they were living. >>> No doubt they descend from the nobility, at least that's what I will >>> presume by the other names you mentioned. Sao Jorge is full of families who >>> can trace their roots back to these settlers and noble families. It's much >>> more difficult for this on Pico and most Terceira families. So in that >>> respect you are lucky. One reason it's easier is the book I mentioned about >>> the Sao Jorge families, because it bridges the gap in records and the >>> original settlers from the 1400s and early 1500s. >>> >>> Doug da Rocha Holmes >>> Sacramento, California >>> Pico & Terceira Genealogist >>> 916-550-1618 >>> www.dholmes.com >>> >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for AMARANTE, MACHADO, AZEVEDO, >>> BETTENCOURT, SILVEIRA, in Velas, S. Jorge >>> From: TheAussieRod <[email protected]> >>> Date: Wed, May 01, 2013 4:15 pm >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> Hi Doug, >>> >>> "Amarante", per se, gives a woman the premium "Dona"? Why is that?... >>> >>> I can't find the marriage of Joao and Josefa Rosa (Azevedo Bettencourt) >>> :( >>> >>> But if I stumble upon Pico or Terceira, I will let you know. >>> Thank you. >>> Cheers, >>> Rod >>> >>> >>> >>> Terça-feira, 30 de Abril de 2013 22:31:50 UTC, Doug Holmes escreveu: >>>> >>>> Rod, >>>> >>>> Amarante is often associated with ladies using the "dona" title. >>>> Look on the CCA website for the manuscript for Genealogias da ilha de >>>> S. Jorge and you will find other older generations of Amarante. >>>> >>>> You still have at least 50-100 years of records you can search on your >>>> own and hopefully you can find a link to the original settlers before the >>>> records run out. >>>> >>>> If it turns out along the way that you find a Pico or Terceira branch, >>>> I'd be interested. >>>> I do a lot of research for other people and myself in the Sao Jorge >>>> records and I often find people from Pico/Terceira. With Pico being only >>>> across the channel, it is to be expected, of course. >>>> >>>> Boa sorte, >>>> >>>> Doug da Rocha Holmes >>>> Sacramento, California >>>> Pico & Terceira Genealogist >>>> 916-550-1618 >>>> www.dholmes.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for AMARANTE, MACHADO, AZEVEDO, >>>> BETTENCOURT, SILVEIRA, in Velas, S. Jorge >>>> From: TheAussieRod <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Tue, April 30, 2013 2:30 pm >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> >>>> Hi, I am tracing my ancestry, and I got somwhere near 1800s. >>>> The surnames are very common in Velas, and the title "Dona" for the >>>> laddies suggest they were somehow important, so maybe I can fit them into >>>> some existent geneology. >>>> >>>> These are the names and aproximate dates: >>>> >>>> D. Josefa Victoria de Azevedo Bettencourt de Amarante - born 3 Dec >>>> 1847; married. 22 Aug 1882 (yes, she married old...) >>>> >>>> Her parents were: >>>> António de Azevedo Bettencourt de Amarante (born 18 Jan 1808, >>>> married 22 Aug 1842) >>>> D. Laureana Leocadia Bettencourt de Amarante (born 28 May 1811) >>>> >>>> Her grandparents were: >>>> >>>> From her father side: >>>> João de Azevedo Machado Bettencourt (died before 1842) >>>> Isabel Vicencia da Silveira >>>> >>>> From her mother side: >>>> João de Azevedo Bettencourt >>>> Josefa Rosa de Azevedo Bettencourt (died before 1842) >>>> >>>> I would very much appreciate any help. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Rod >>>> -- >>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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