Hi Vivian,
I've been looking at your tree......I haven't discovered any connections and
yet but my intuition has hit on some of your lines....for some reason I think
we connect on several lines in both Pico and Sao Jorge. You match both myself
and Uncle John, my father's brother...so that's Pico....although their
grandfather, Antonio Teixeira Baptista was born in Topo, Sao Jorge.......but
the Sao Jorge connection to you and the Holmes brothers "feels" like it's to my
mother's people on Sao Jorge, the Velas, Rosais area. My mom's mother's father
is my brick wall......he used the name Enos when he came from Sao Jorge, my mom
said his name was "messed up when he arrived in the U.S. and it was changed
from Enos or Bettencourt? to Vetorino.....his civil marriage record gives his
parents name as Tomas Vieira and Ana Joaquina but the record from St. John's
for the marriage lists his parents as Tomas Oliveira and Ana Joaquina.......so
I'm clueless but somehow I think this connects to the Holmes brothers and to
you!
Now to figure it out!
Nice to find a new cousin,
Nancy
Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 09:27:34 -0700
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Frank Patrick Holmes
To: [email protected]
Hi Nancy, I do have Sao Jorge ancestry which is my Mothers (Gertrude J Joseph)
Mother (Marie G. Holmes) side of the family which is one of my brick walls. I
do not know the town they came from in Sao Jorge. The other mystery is My
Grandmothers (Marie Holmes) real Father we think was Frank Holmes (Homen) but
he died we think before her mother married Premo Souza. My Grandmother (Marie)
told me we were related to the Souza's but she did not put him down as her
father and neither did her brothers. We know that when they came to this
country she listed her name on her naturalization papers as Marie Holmes Souza.
So we think her mother and step father married in the Azores when she was
about 2 yrs old. My Grandmother did not tell me very much
about her family either how Frank Holmes died or when. I am hoping the church
in Hanford. St Bridgets will call me in about a week with info on if the
church marriage records list the name of the town they came from. Keep your
fingers crossed. So far all my research does not give the name of the town
they came from. Also all her brothers put on all their documents they were
born in California and they never filled out any naturalization papers. She
was the only one who put she was born in the Azores. Well I will send you an
invitation to Ancestry.com for my Tree. Let me know if you have any questions.
Vivian (Silva) Christy
From: nancy jean baptiste <[email protected]>
To: azores group <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 7:58 AM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Frank Patrick Holmes
Hi Vivian,
Please, I'd like to see your tree. I didn't notice a gedcom on FTDNA. Do you
have Sao Jorge ancestry as well as Pico?
Thanks,
Nancy Jean
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 18:01:31 -0700
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Frank Patrick Holmes
To: [email protected]
Hi Nancy, I have the records for Lajes do Pico. In the Minho records on line
I found both my Mothers father and my Fathers mother's families lived near to
each other and they have relatives all the way back to the 1700's I think. I
also found
my fathers Mother's birth record and her fathers birth record. So I can give
you access to my family tree online at Ancestry.com you may find some relatives
we have in common. Let me know if you would like me to do that. Thanks,
Vivian
From: nancy jean baptiste <[email protected]>
To: azores group
<[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Frank Patrick Holmes
Hi Vivian,
Glad to know you're there to explain Frank and his brother Robert's family
history a bit.
I noticed the you and the Holmes brothers are both a match to me. However, you
are a match to my Uncle John Baptiste and the Holmes are not his match.
I think the Holmes are matching on my mom's Sao Jorge people who they have some
surnames in common with and you are matching Uncle John's Pico people and I can
be matching both your Pico and Sao Jorge lines. We share many surnames.
Nancy Jean
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Frank Patrick Holmes
From: Vivian Christy <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, May 15, 2013 7:44 pm
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Hello Doug and Nancy, Frank Patrick Holmes is my cousin and I do all the
genealogy for our family. So I will check out his matches. The thing is I do
not know where
his great grandfather who is also Frank Peter Holmes (Homen) was born or died
except that it was
the Sao Jorge Island. That is the brick wall in our genealogy. When I check
out the matches and your tree I will see if we have any that could be
relatives. I wish I would have been able to get the copy of the Marriage
record from the church in Hanford where my Grandmother Marie G. Holmes and
grandfather Manuel Joseph were married. But I probably will have to go there
my self to see if I can get the record. So I have not found the town yet.
Thank you. Vivian (Silva) Christy researching: Silva, Machado, Silveria,
Veira, Holmes, Homen, Enos, Jose, Souza, and many more. In Lajes do Pico and
Sao Jorge, Tereica, and Faial. From: nancy jean baptiste
<[email protected]>
To: Doug da Rocha Holmes <[email protected]>; azores group
<[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:57 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Frank Patrick Holmes
A correction to my earlier post.....Frank Holmes....we match many names on
Sao Jorge.
Nancy Jean
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Frank Patrick Holmes
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 08:48:11 -0700
Hi
Nancy,
I think someone once mentioned Frank Holmes to me, but I didn't realize he has
Pico ancestors.Can you identify the one who immigrated from there?
I don't show him as a link, but if he connects to Judy's relative, and I
connect to her, maybe there is still a remote link between us that DNA doesn't
show.
Was his Holmes name originally Homem, like mine? Or does he have English
ancestry?
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618http://www.dholmes.com/
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA
results
From: nancy jean baptiste <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, May 09, 2013 7:51 am
To: azores group <[email protected]>
With Frank Patrick Holmes 49.55 and 31.64...ftdna predicts 3rd cousin. We share
many of the same names on Pico.
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