Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder

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Doug, In testing Mel that was my attempt to get just Raminho/Altares. I figured that that would isloate my maternal grandfather's side but Mel was a distant match to my double cousin who does not have lineage from Raminho.  Both of his parents are from Raminho and have no Agualva connection. But they have matches with people who are not even Portuguese.  I believe the conneciton between these two cousins that should not share matches comes from where we all share the following common distant great-grandparents: Joao Martins Faleiro & Catarina Gomes de Antona of Ribeirinha (Mel's Great-Grandparents11 twice and GG12 twice, my double cousin GG11, GG12 4 times GG13 3 times), Francisco Vaz de Azevedo of Vila Nova & Maria Gomes Evangelho of Ribeirinha (Mel's GG8 twice, my double cousins GG8, GG10 3 times) or/and Andre Afonso and Isabel Lucas of Vila Nova (Mel's GG10 and my double cousin GG9 times and GG10 7 times).  All are from Terceira.  This must be the the connection that is showing up???? I have another cousin that has tested that has Agualve and Raminho lineage but should not share the Ribeirinha connection.  I still need to meet with that side of the family to compare the matches. Doreen  -----Original Message----- From: Pam Santos Sent: Jul 1, 2013 6:56 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder Since I did my sons, with not many matches. I would do the oldest person possibly since its 200 years back. Meaning I should have test my ex husbands grandmother who is 94 yrs old instead of my son. Then possibly more matches that would confirm what my paper trail does. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote: I wish I could test them all but when I decide who to test and what test needs to be taken I try and get the biggest bang for my buck. It is going to be interesting to see what the results are going to be when the FF on my dad’s cousin comes in. I am thinking of doing a FF on myself and compare it to my sister. (along with my dad and his cousin) The thing is we know that some get more of some DNA than others but my experience with testing two people that are related in some form is limited. My sense tells me not to bet on the three legged horse in a horserace.   Rick   Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire     From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of p...@dholmes.com Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 7:44 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder   Hi Richard,   Your logic is sound, but I don't know if it really matters. The reason is that there is no telling how much DNA any one person gets. Just like you are not going to get the same DNA as all your siblings.   So the answer, I think, is test them all. The more, the merrier.   One thing that seems sure to me is that since my father doesn't show as Doreen's cousin, even though we are related in so many different ways from all four sides of her grandparents, nobody in my generation can show as related, either. We simply didn't get that same DNA.   But if she were to test her father or mother or any other sibling, then maybe one of those could show as related. But if her mother and father were tested and don't show as related to my father, then she and all her siblings would also be ruled out. If her parents didn't get that DNA, then none of their children could, either.   In my case, Sandra Valine Dauer shows as related to both me and my father. But there is no guarantee that any or all my siblings would show as related to her. I might be the only one in my generation who got that particular matching DNA from my father.   My nephew I think will be tested for Family Finder and it will be interesting if some particular DNA from his Azorean ancestry has carried down to him. And it will be interesting if it will be from Pico or Terceira. I'm not sure I will be able to distinguish it, but it will only be possible because of matches with others from Pico and/or Terceira. I have the feeling he will get a little from both.   In further answer to Doreen, I have some relatives who are direct maternal descendants from my ancestors from Chile and I would like to convince some of them to be tested. They also have some Piedade, Pico ancestors, and most of my same Terceira, but none of my ancestors from Sao Roque do Pico. The reason this could be useful to me is that I have effectively eliminated my S.Roque grandmother's entire line. Any match MUST be from Piedade or Terceira.   I could find other relatives that have no Piedade, Pico and my Terceira ancestry. They would ONLY have my Sao Roque ancestry. So in this way, they are being used to eliminate and therefore distinguish which side and hopefully which ancestors are responsible for the matching DNA.   You might pick cousins from your Agualva ancestry, but who don't also have the others. Or test a cousin with Raminho, but not Agualva. It might be more difficult, but maybe you can find a cousin with only your Santo Amaro, Pico ancestry, but none of the others, or at least not the same others you have in Agualva.   And it might be of interest, and surely is to me, to pick cousins who also have a different direct paternal line (or maternal line) that could get the Y-DNA and mt-DNA tests.   Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico & Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com   -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder From: "Richard Francis Pimentel" <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> Date: Mon, July 01, 2013 3:15 pm To: <azores@googlegroups.com>   First off I would do the same generation in other words 1st Cousin or 2nd Cousins, by using a first cousin and a first cousin once removed you are going  to skew the results. The one further up on the tree may not show matches of the one further down on the tree on the same line. 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