That sounds like a good idea because for a period of time, people living in the west end of Bretanha (now called João Bom and Pilar) often received the sacraments from the parish of Mosteiros until the Pilar Chapel came into use.In his Apontamentos (1974) the late Father Luís Octávio dos Reis writes that even after Pilar and João Bom was annexed to Ajuda, the chapel remained a suffragan of Mosteiros for a while longer, until 1699. Given the distance from Pilar to Ajuda, it would have made sense forsome of the people of Pilar and João Bom to go to Mass in Mosteiros.
If you find the parents for António and Maria Rosa, please let me know so I can pass on the info on to Dr. Soares da Silva and also up date my data base. Thank you, and enjoy Thanksgiving! John On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:18 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <[email protected]> wrote: I am going to look in the Mosterios Obitos as the 2nd marriage says Maria da Rosa was buried there. This is the 2nd marriage http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1782-1818/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1782-1818_item1/P5.html Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Raposo Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism record 1786 Ginetes In Miguel Soares da Silva's Reconstituição das Famílias de Santo António, he has Manuel, b. 20-2-1734 born to António de Aguiar and Maria Rosa, she being from Bretanha. So we know he and Maria Rosa were living in Santo António in 1734. There is no marriage for them, but there are gaps in the marriage records of S. António; however, there are no gaps beginning in 1729, so if they married in S. António it was between 1719 and 1728 inclusive. In 1737 an António de Aguiar is witness to a marriage in Santo António. In Bretanha in that time period, there is only one António de Aguiar, marrying in 1733, but to Paula Araújo Carvalho. (The records appear intact for that period). The António de Aguiar living in Monte de Santa Bárbara was married twice, but neither wife was named Maria Rosa. That António's first wife was Maria de Viveiros Frias (d. 1742) and the second wife was Maria de Viveiros de Arruda (d. 1787). I wish I could be of more help. Have you found a death record for Maria Rosa? John On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:25 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <[email protected]> wrote: Hi John, I am looking for Antonio de Aguiar b. ?, d. bef 25 Mar 1823 married 1st to Maria da Rosa and married 2nd to Barbara Figueiredo 13 Jan 1783 in Ginetes. I am trying to find the parents of Antonio. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Raposo Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism record 1786 Ginetes Rick, I have indices for S. António. Who is it that you are looking for. I have António de Aguiar living in Monte de Santa Bárbara. Let me know if I can help. John On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:47 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks John. I notice some parishes use more abbreviations than others. Most of the ones I have worked with up to now used very few. Santo Antonio (alem Capelas) makes the most sense. And that is the place I am searching. I notice that some families moved around between Bretanha, Mosterios and Ginetes. This Antonio Aguiar is named being baptized in several places. This birth record is the earliest that names Santo Antonio as his baptismal parish. And a Happy Thanksgiving to you also. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Raposo Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism record 1786 Ginetes Rick: I have not had a chance to look at the record. There are two S. António parishes in S. Miguel, that I know of: Santo António (além Capelas) and Santo António Nordestinho. The one near Capelas had a suffragan chapel, Santa Bárbara do Monte, which is today a separate parish. To confuse things more, there is also the parish of S. Bárbara near Ribeira Grande. My guess is that one in your record is probably S. António além Capelas, Lugar do Monte (Santa Bárbara) but again, I have not actually looked at the record. Happy Thanksgiving! John Miranda Raposo On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 4:22 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <[email protected]> wrote: Hi All This has an abbreviation that I am not sure of On the 2nd line “parochial de S”to” (Santo) Ant”o” (Antonio) lugar do M”mo” (???) S”to” (Santo?) e de” It makes sense that this should be Santo Antonio in Santo Antonio, Ponta Delgada but the part Lugar do M”mo” has me confused. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1782-1797/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1782-1797_item1/P51.html upper right entry Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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