Doug, I agree with you and Cheri that we end up deviating from the original subject of most threads, so I will reply this one directly. And please apologies here are absurd, we all want to learn and I seek the "elders" here because of their experience.
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 5:56 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Ricardo, > > You write in English so well that I thought you live in the USA. > So me telling you the meaning of matriz is quite presumptuous. Sorry about > that. > > I'm also glad to hear you like my Ancestral Photos section. I have to > upload several others, but at least I have started it off. The great thing > about a website is that it just builds and builds up over time. There are > years I don't do anything, but what I already did still remains available. > > About the effort and resources, I'm glad you pointed that out. Like I > said, once it's done it remains there with little additional effort, but > can you imagine how much time and effort the CCA is investing in this whole > thing? It's enormous and I am so appreciative. > > Are your Chaves from Santa Maria? For some reason, that's the first place > I think of when I hear that surname. > > Atencioamente, > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Matriz and the council > From: Ricardo Chaves <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, December 18, 2013 9:47 am > To: Azores Geneolagy <[email protected]> > > Hello Doug, > > I have written that exactly, but probably with different words in one of > the latest posts about this issue. Maybe the post was to long and some got > scared to read it [?] . I mentioned we have spoke before through your > website, some years ago when I was starting my roots' investigation. I live > here Doug, in Azores and I believe for some non residents this hole system > may be quite confusing. > > As CCA is organizing the filters at their website using the civil and > actual system, there are a few Civil Parishes, exactly as Joao Ventura > already explained, they must use their official names, and in this case > there are a few called Matriz (adopted from the leading church, where it > stands today), in Azores. Because of that and because CCA had a few other > places (Catholic Parish Names) mentioning Matriz, as what they were in the > past, as you just said, some people will easily be confused, specially > those who know very little about the geographic and territorial > organization of Azores, today AND in the past. If I see Matriz mentioned, > in a Freguesia that has another name, Example, Mae de Deus, Povoacao, it > makes no difference to me, but yes its confusing to who doesn't know why or > where. > > From what I have learned now, as you say, its much easier to know what > Island our ancestors came from, then the council. I have checked several > websites, with archives and documents related to genealogy and not only, > where the the system is indexed, allowing researchers to search for NAMES > or PLACES, etc. The Government of Madeira seams to be doing a good effort > going into this direction, you can check it here > http://www.arquivo-madeira.org/pesquisa/baptismo/ . One thing a few > already have mentioned is that the majority of the US research websites, > like acenstry.com and many more, are PAYED services. CCA is not, but > these systems, whether good or not so good, have costs and are being given > free access for free. > > I am connected to computer/networking business, and I have a good idea of > how much time, money and resources, these online archives may take to ho > ever is responsible for it, and because I have spent many hours in Ponta > Delgada, reading record books, I am quite happy, and I can imagine you all > who do not live here, with what they have now. About consistency, yes I > agree with Cheri and others, the filters should follow only one criteria > and I think they are fixing that. > > PS: Doug, I love the old pictures in your website, I'm a big fan of such > priceless, also, records. Images of our ancestors, for those who are lucky > to have them, are a "Cherry of top of the cake" for all genealogists! > > Cheers to all, > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 4:01 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Ricardo, >> >> You wrote under the subject CCA, but I am answering about the definition >> of matriz, so am answering under this subject. >> >> In case it was not previously explained, "matriz" is referring to the >> main church, aka mother church, for what in Portugal they call a "concelho" >> which could be translated to our county system here. >> >> For example, the matriz church for the "concelho" of Sao Roque, island of >> Pico is the church in Sao Roque. There are four other churches in that >> concelho, but the church in Sao Roque is the mother church of the group. >> >> The matriz church for the concelho of Lajes, island of Pico is called >> Santissima Trindade. Again, there are four other churches in that concelho. >> >> Every concelho has a matriz. And there is only one matriz for one >> concelho, with the exception of the mistake made for Sao Sebastiao, >> Terceira - read Guill's explanation in his history book, vol. 5. >> >> I don't know if they do that type of grouping in the USA Catholic >> churches, but it makes no difference. That's how they do it in Portugal, so >> that's all you need to know to do research and find your way through the >> records as a genealogist. >> >> Doug da Rocha Holmes >> Sacramento, California >> Pico & Terceira Genealogist >> 916-550-1618 >> www.dholmes.com >> >> -- > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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