Hi Herb,
I didn't know you have multiple links to Simas.
Seems to me it could one day be possible to identify the SIMAS DNA. They can probably do it now at high end research labs. Maybe one day it will trickle down to genealogists. I would love to do that for all my ancestors.
What Marie Pleasant said in another message is really right and something I am working towards. She is getting her first cousins to test with Family Finder. I already know that my sister has different DNA because her son who did the test has some matches I don't get. So it is actually a very helpful thing to do the test for all siblings in every generation.
The way I look at it is that if all my siblings were to test, we might equal maybe 75% of both our parents' DNA. Maybe it's higher and maybe lower, but certainly more than just one single test.
So if you have no parents to test, get all siblings and that will be the best you can do to come closer to equaling all the DNA your parents handed down.
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Simas DNA
From: Herb <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, May 02, 2014 11:52 am
To: [email protected]
--Hi DougI went back into my files and have many Simas ancestors on both my mother and fathers side going back to the 1500's, from opposite sides of Sao Miguel which is interesting. Some of these Simas ancestors go back to the Columbreiros and the Vieira Brandaos and Salgueiros. One of my oldest Simas ancestors appears to be Maria de Simas who married Bartolomeu Dias Rebelo. Their daughter Maria Rebelo married Francisco Viera Brandao on 4 Oct 1640, same place where I was born, in Fazenda do Nordeste. I also have Sabina Simas daughter of Domingos Simas although I have no record of her marriage. As you know Rodrigo Rodrigues mentions them in his writings. I do have a family finder match to Altino but I'm not sure about Cheri although we are I think 7th or 8th cousins.Herb
On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:11:31 PM UTC-4, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:To all people with Simas ancestors,I'm wondering how many of you have done the Family Finder DNA test.If you have Simas ancestors and don't match me, I am just curious about it.For instance, I know Herb Silva has some Simas and so does John Raposo. Herb got the Family Finder test and isn't showing as a match to me. Neither does John Raposo, but I don't know if he got the test yet. I think Cheri Mello has a remote Simas ancestor and doesn't match me, either. I believe Altino once wrote me about his Simas ancestors and we don't match, if he got the test.Simas in the Azores traces back, usually, to Domingos de Simas from Spain. He settled in Nordeste in the late 1500s. From there, Simas spread out around Sao Miguel. But one son headed off to Pico and if you have Simas from Pico, chances are we could match that way, because it's more recent.So we are talking about people born 400 years ago and usually beyond the range for showing any connection. But since my Simas is from my Pico ancestry where I have a recent 1st cousin marriage, that acts as a multiplier, maybe a 2X multiplier, and we get matches way beyond the normal 200 year time frame.Many of my matches have Lajes do Pico ancestors and I know some have Simas ancestors. But due to the lack of older records from the church in Lajes, we can't find the connections. We can still assume they exist and somehow DNA evidence is showing we do have some sort of link.Anyway, speak up publicly on this list or write me privately if you like. It would be interesting to see what we've got.I think the connection is too remote to show a link to anyone with Simas lines that stayed in Sao Miguel. But maybe those people all match each other. And maybe all with Simas on Pico match each other.I would love to find someone with a direct male line assent to this Domingos de Simas. I need to check if any exist on Pico. Then we could do the Y-DNA test on them and that would tell us more about his origins. This is something I'm working on for all my Portuguese ancestors. When I'm ready to type it up, I'll let you know. I recently started something similar on two of my Hungarian ancestral lines which if interested you can find here:Thanks,Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
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