Very profound, John, however, it is nothing more than common sense. I've been doing that since I first started researching Parochial records. For any genealogist not to have known that should give pause to their claim to be a credentialed genealogist..
On Saturday, May 24, 2014 6:31:24 AM UTC-4, John Raposo wrote: > > > I most commonly deal with this issue relative to what was once the parish > of Bretanha in S. Miguel. The parish of Bretanha had one parish church, > Ajuda, and two suffragan chapels which later became curacies, Pilar and > Remédios. Until Remédios and Pilar were granted their own registers (in the > early 20th century) all baptisms, marriages and deaths, were recorded in > Ajuda. Before the *Ermidas* of Nossa Senhora dos Remédios and Nossa > Senhora do Pilar became suffragan churches of Nossa Senhora da Ajuda, most > of the time baptisms and marriages were performed in the Igreja Paroquial > de Nossa Senhora da Ajuda. > But since the *freguesia* was composed of 3 *lugares* (commonly called > *aldeias* on the mainland but not in the Azores) these villages were > always called, Ajuda da Bretanha, Pilar da Bretanha and Remédios da > Bretanha, and continue to be called by those names even to this day, > although they are now 3 distinct ecclesiastical and administrative > parishes. This avoids confusion with Remédios da Lagoa and Fenais de Ajuda. > Because these *lugares* have always had the hyphenated designation, > whenever somebody's record says they were born in or living in Remédios, > for example, I always listed them as being born or living in > Remédios-Bretanha (or Pilar-Bretanha, or Ajuda-Bretanha). > > John > > > On Saturday, May 24, 2014 1:25 AM, "pi...@dholmes.com <javascript:>" < > pi...@dholmes.com <javascript:>> wrote: > > > I'm wondering how other people handle this type of situation in their > genealogy program. > > In cases where a person is living in a freguesia that was later split up > and divided into two or more separate freguesias, how do you list where > they were born? > > There are many examples, so I will just pick one from Terceira. > > Some people might not realize that before Terra Chã became a freguesia, it > was just an ermida (chapel) and was part of the freguesia of São Pedro in > the city of Angra. In fact, when searching through the first 10-20 years of > Terra Chã records, most everyone will be said to be native of São Pedro, > yet have been living in the same house all along. I have many ancestors > from São Pedro, Angra and I have even seen some records where back in the > 1600s they are said to be residents in Terra Chã, even though it was not a > freguesia until about 1835. > > So here is the situation. If you find an ancestor living in a neighborhood > that later became a freguesia, but when they were living there it was > called something else, how do you list where they were born? > > For me, I list them as born in the freguesia that existed in the year of > their birth, marriage and/or death. If born in 1750 and they were found in > the São Pedro, Angra baptisms, that is where I say they were born. But I > have a separate field in my genealogy program that I call "resided" and > that is where I can note they lived in Terra Chã in whatever year I found a > document that said this. > > I first ran into this problem from Piedade, Pico, where so many were > living in the neighborhood of Ribeirinha. Yet Ribeirinha didn't become a > freguesia until about 1960, I think. So I was listing the families as born > in Piedade or in Ribeirinha, even when they were all found in Piedade > records. Finally this became a problem when doing searches because I had to > list two locations in the search. Sometimes I would forget that I should > not only search for Piedade, but also for Ribeirinha. I resolved it by > changing every one of the people as born in Piedade, but made a note that > said they resided in Ribeirinha. > > I hope that's not too confusing to follow. > > I am pretty satisfied with my solution to this, but it would be > interesting to know how others might be dealing with this. It becomes a > problem in every island where the freguesia became too large and a new one > was created from within it. Maybe only Graciosa and Corvo are the only ones > never affected by this situation. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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