Eric, Doug, Joao,
Thanks for all of the information you provided on the pai incognito
details. Since Pedro Jose de Avelar is my direct ancestor, this is
particularly interesting. This family line has a lot in mysteries in the
records. As Joao mentioned, It is hard to say if Claudia is the sibling of
Pedro and Monica with just that one record, but it does bring up some
interesting details.
I have yet to find the death record of the mother Florencia Maria also.
That record could hopefully bring some more insight into the situation, as
to her specific place of birth and age. I have also not found anything on
the mother of Florencia, only referred to as Maria "of" Corvo. Florencia is
also a pai incognito so more mysteries await, lol.
Also, I wonder what the significance of the Avelar surname is? Where did it
come from? What it possibly in reference to the pai incognito? or maybe
from the mother's side?
For Pedro, I have yet to find his death record, which is interesting. He
was married in Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lajes de Flores and his children
were born in that parish. I have search quite a bit through the obitos in
that parish but haven't found him yet.
One thing I wonder is that if Pedro's death still cannot be found, it may
be possible that he made his way to California with some of the family back
in 1868 or 1869. I know it would be a long shot, but after the death of
Pedro's son-in-law Joao Antonio de Freitas Mendonca (my g.g.g grandfather)
in Dec 1868, Pedro's grandson Francisco Pedro Freitas (son of Joao de
Freitas Mendonca) immigrated to California between 1868 and 1869. Pedro may
have accompanied them. He would have been pretty old by then though, so who
knows. In the 1870 census in Brooklyn Township, Oakland, California,
Francisco (Frank) Pedro Freitas shows up along with a Joseph Pedro who is
older and could be Pedro Jose Avelar, but I cannot say either way.
Anyways, I digress..the name "Pedro" seems to have been important in our
family and stuck around for quite a while. My g.g. grandfather was Antone
Pedro Freitas (grandson of Pedro Jose Avelar), and his brother was Jose
Freitas Pedro. The brother actually used Pedro as his surname for some
time. Antone Pedro Freitas also had a son name Pedro (Peter) who died very
young. So it is possible that Pedro Jose Avelar was close to family and
hung around for a while, lol..
I would appreciate any of your thoughts Doug, Eric, and Joao, since your
wife and I share this family connection.
David
On Friday, September 26, 2014 6:44:22 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:
>
> Maria Natalia, you are right.
>
> I can say I have seen this countless times from the 1700s forward on
> Terceira and Pico. If I were to pay attention to it elsewhere, I'm sure
> other places could be included, like Sao Miguel where I suspect you saw it.
>
> I'm not arguing one way or another about Joao's ancestral line. That takes
> in-depth study which he has done. But it certainly was a fact freed slaves
> were married to other regular citizens in the community. In fact, I have an
> ancestor from Sao Bento, Terceira whose son or daughter married the child
> of a slave. This was about 1700, if I recall.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help linking Pai Incognitos in Ponta
> Delgada, Flores
> From: mnk <[email protected] <javascript:>>
> Date: Fri, September 26, 2014 5:06 am
> To: [email protected] <javascript:>
>
> I just want to say that I have seen a marriage of a slave to a free
> person. I can't remember what village I was searching when I saw it, but it
> was possibly Ginetes. I just remember because I had never seen that before.
> Maybe the priest in your case was progressive or anti-slavery so he did not
> mention race or status of the women.
> MNK
>
>
>
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