I have a marriage record dated 01Jan 1775 listing the groom as Francisco Fernandes de Miranda, son of Antonio Machado de Miranda and Catarina Maria. The bride, Maria de Jesus, daughter of Bras Ferreira and Maria da Conceicao. The newlyweds were baptized in Sao Pedro, Ribeirinha, Terceira. The Witnesses: Mateus Machado de Miranda and Francisco Fernandes, of the same parish. The groom death 12 Nov 1809 at the age of 60, more or less. Any connections? Sandra Valine Dauer
On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 10:29 PM, <p...@dholmes.com> wrote: > Hi Roger, > > Yes, we are distant cousins from the line you describe. And I need to look > over the other lines you mentioned to see how else we could be related. > > About Miranda, to really know more answers you should get DNA testing. I > know this is not your direct paternal line, so you will have to rely on the > help of others (like we all must) to learn more. > > And there is no guarantee the father of your oldest Miranda was himself > from this family. It could easily come from his mother's side. > > As you would expect, it is most important for you to pay attention to > anyone named Miranda from Ribeirinha in the 1600s because maybe the next > older generation also came from there. But I can also tell you that a great > many named Miranda come from Graciosa before they appear in Terceira. > > Plus, those from Graciosa could actually be from Sao Miguel before that, > but I just say that because I know it's very old there, too. John Miranda > Raposo on this list has this family from Bretanha, Sao Miguel and I know > he's traced it back as far as the records allow which is surely into the > 1600s like yourself, but maybe even much further. > > On Terceira, there is the noble family of Pamplona Miranda that could be > where your family links. > There is a priest using the name Machado Miranda born somewhere around > 1600, maybe in Terceira, serving in Angra. That could certainly be a > possible link. > > As I look over all named Miranda from Terceira currently in my database, I > think I know the answer for you. There is a great chance, maybe even a > likelihood, that you do connect to this noble Pamplona family and the > answer as to the first is likely Leonor Gomes de Miranda born in Porto on > the mainland, married to Goncalo Alvares Pamplona also from Porto who > brought his family to Terceira, or maybe some or all his children were born > in Terceira and they used Pamplona de Miranda a lot of times and from many > branches of his descendants in the 1500s and later. At some point, Machado > was introduced into your family from a spouse and became Machado de Miranda. > > I think maybe your branch might connect to this noble branch sometime in > the 1500s. > > In any case, what I currently know about the Ribeirinha branch is that > your ancestor is the trunk of all named Miranda in Ribeirinha. This tells > me there is a decent chance he himself came from elsewhere, like maybe > Angra where there are several earlier people named Miranda. > > This by no means is my final conclusion. I will continue to do more search > into all the earliest families of Terceira, but that's what the information > is currently leading me to believe. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matheu Machado Miranda (born 1683 > Ribeirinha, Terceira) > From: Roger <hsphot...@comcast.net> > Date: Sun, October 05, 2014 6:18 pm > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Cc: hsphot...@comcast.net > > Hi Doug, > > I am sure you are correct, as I said in my email reply, Joao Jose Miranda > married Agada Evangelho Leonardo on October 16, 1785 in Ribeirinha. His > father was Antonio Machado Miranda born December 1713 in Ribeirinha. Her > father was Joao Concalves Leonardo, born on November 1,1721 in > Ribeirinha. My Miranda male ancestors born after their marriage including > my grandmother's father Joao were named Concalves Miranda. > > My goal is to identify the first Miranda to reside on Terceira and where > he was from. > > Roger > > On Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:20:51 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: >> >> Hi Roger, >> >> With a recent Ribeirinha ancestor like you have, you are probably related >> to a great many of us. >> I high percentage of the people from this village have ancestors named >> Goncalves Leonardo and if you are one of them, then I too am a distant >> relative. Of course, these are going to be maternal lines, not your Miranda >> line from your grandmother Miranda. >> >> Doug da Rocha Holmes >> Sacramento, California >> Pico & Terceira Genealogist >> 916-550-1618 >> www.dholmes.com >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matheu Machado Miranda (born 1683 >> Ribeirinha, Terceira) >> From: Roger <hsph...@comcast.net> >> Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 10:49 am >> To: azo...@googlegroups.com >> >> Hi Helen >> >> Thanks for your reply, I was looking for information on ancestors prior >> to Matheu Machado de Miranda's "married to Margrida Alves ". Who was his* >> father* and where and when did the first Miranda come to the Azores and >> from where. However I appreciate your reply. My grandmother on my >> mother's side was Izauria Miranda who immigrated to California from >> Ribeirinha, Terceira in 1909. I must be distant relative to your >> husband, probably a seventh or eighth cousin. >> >> Roger >> >> -- > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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