Yes that is so kind of you to share the information with me.
Thank you Linda.
Wow- that was tough living. It makes me think about the conditions of our
ancestors. We are so abundantly blessed today to have the necessities of life
and then some. I can't imagine how hard their lives were.
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> On Oct 12, 2016, at 9:15 PM, linda <menesesli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Maria Elena,
> Mendicant denotes begging, but, no, I don't think we can assume homelessness.
> Nineteenth century travel writers to the Azores describe the material poverty
> and the custom of begging, but I don't recall reading any accounts of
> homeless elderly women.
> Ok, here's a quick summary of a description from one of the books I have:
> Saturday was the customary day they made their rounds; the beggars the author
> observed (on Sao Miguel) were all elderly impoverished women. He says that
> "Mendicity [sic] is confined to the aged and infirm poor and to the crippled
> and blind, for whom there is no legal provision. They are therefore
> dependent on the charity of the wealthy, to whom they make a weekly
> application and receive alms." "Their strength is to sit still; and they
> will wait on a staircase or at a gate for more than an hour, in dismal
> expectation of the smallest pittance." During the period when your Barbara
> Velha lived, the monasteries and convents distributed surplus food to the
> beggars as well as alms; later the religious houses were dissolved, and the
> author (writing about 20 years afterwards, if I recall correctly) suggests
> that added a bit more hardship to their lives.
> I recall reading an obito for a man in Cedros, Flores where the priest wrote
> that the man's occupation was "a beggar and nothing more". His tone struck
> me as exasperated, and now I wish I'd noted where exactly I saw it because
> now I'd like to look at it again.
> hope that's useful for you,
>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 4:43:07 AM UTC-7, Maria wrote:
>> Linda, thank you for clarifying. Yeah, i saw those words, "that "she had
>> nothing". I looked to see if it said that in the other obits but it
>> didn't. And the priest used the word " VELHA" ( as in old? I wondered ) to
>> punctuate her status.
>> It saddens me that with grown children the mother would be homeless. Does
>> mendicante also mean homeless (?)
>> Maria Elena
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:34 PM, linda <menese...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Barbara Velha, a widow, an aged beggar, "...died with all the sacraments of
>>> the sainted church; she made no will for she had nothing; she was buried in
>>> the churchyard near the main door of this church..."
>>> I've read that in the mid/late19th century, it was the custom that on one
>>> day of the week (Sundays, I think, but am not sure now) the poor of a
>>> parish would go from door to door collecting alms, and that it was the
>>> practice to give something if one could. The wealthier one was, the more
>>> obligated to give alms-- not forgetting the religious obligation as well.
>>> I don't know if this was the case earlier too, but I wouldn't be surprised
>>> if it was a centuries old tradition. Anyway, my impression is that begging
>>> was sort of an informal socio-religious based welfare system.
>>> hope that helps,
>>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 6:42:23 PM UTC-7, Maria wrote:
>>>> LEFT side first name- BARBARA VELHA
>>>> This is the second widowed woman in the same time frame where the priest
>>>> wrote "mendicante" which I think in (spanish) it's a beggar. Wow! That
>>>> very sad considering they had grown children. I can visualize them in
>>>> rags begging on the street and even though it was so long ago, it breaks
>>>> my heart to think they were left to beg when they were widowed. Maybe
>>>> there's a better translation for mendicante. Also, I couldn't figure out
>>>> where she was buried and wondered if someone could translate that about
>>>> the burial(?) please? Some municipal place.
>>>> Maria Elena
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