Hi Margaret, I think Manuel Jr age is 11 months not 11 years. It would match his DOB of Manuel Jr - May 25, 1903, if he left in May of 1904.
Kim On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 1:05:07 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote: > > Hi Kim, > > I'm trying to help, however based on the birth year 1878 for Manuel Cecis > (Ancestry Celio) Fonseca sailing on the ship Vancouver in 1903, bringing > him to be 25 years old. Does the manifest state if he is married? Why I'm > asking is because the 1904 Maria Bento M. Fonseca is 35 years old with an > 11 year old child, which translate to Manuel being a father at 15 years of > age, and married around 14 years of age, very unlikely. I think you're > looking at 2 different families. > > I did find the birth record for the Manuel born in Faial da Terra on the > 2nd of September 1878. Here's the link, record # 34 right page. > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879_item1/P235.html > > I also found a Manuel Secio da Fonseca, single, godfather to a child by > the name of Manuel, born to Maria Secio da Fonseca, presuming this is his > sister's baby. # 26 left page. > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1890-1899_item1/P136.html > > Further to this and Elaine finding the birth record for the passports > Maria. I checked through the records and did not find the birth record for > Manuel, the child and Maria born in 1903, nor the marriage record for such > couple. > > Unfortunately the passport for Maria Bento de Melo and children does not > show the childrens' father's name. I checked twice and did not find Manuel > Cecio da Fonseca marriage within the given dates or outside of these time > frames. > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Kim Secia <[email protected] <javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Hi Cheri, >> >> E (not sure his real name) found the ships the came over on. He sent me >> the information in a private email. I'm not sure how he found it >> on Ancestry. Here is the information which lead me to the Passportes List. >> >> >> - Maria Bento M. Fonseca came to the U. S. on the ship "S.S. Canopic >> sailing from St. Michael's May 17, 1904. She is with children Maria 3, >> Maria 2 and Manuel 11 months going to her husband Manuel C. Fonseca, >> Mattapoisett MA. When Manuel Jr. applied for citizenship, he said his >> name >> was Manuel Secia but he came to the U. S. under the name Manuel Fonseca. >> >> >> - The father Manuel Cecis (Ancestry has Celio) Fonseca game to the U. >> S. on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903. He is going to >> his cousin Manuel Mauricio Mello living in New Bedford. He was born ca >> 1878 I believe in Sao Miguel. >> >> Are you saying these are not matches? The children's ages and immigration >> dates seem to match up with everything I found online. >> >> Thank you for the additional information. >> Kim >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected] >> <javascript:>> wrote: >> >>> Kim, >>> >>> Why a Maria Bento de Mello? She is a married woman, born c. 1869, with 3 >>> children already. What research in America has lead you to a Maria Bento de >>> Mello? Why not a Maria de Jesus Mello? Why not Maria de Simas de Mello, >>> #719? >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P189.html >>> >>> Here are the facts: >>> You said the 1920 in Mattapoisett, Massachusetts that Manuel Secia was >>> 43, immigrated 1902,and was an alien. Mary/Maria was 48, immigrated in >>> 1903, also an alien. Son "Antone" was born c. 1905 in MA. >>> >>> The 1930, also in Mattapoisett said that Manuel Secia now 56, immigrated >>> 1901, and was an alien. Mary/Maria is now 62, immigrated 1904. Both are >>> aliens. >>> >>> The 1940, still in Mattapoisett, says that Manuel Secia is now 63 and >>> Mary/Maria is 70. Both aliens. >>> >>> The only thing you can tell for certain: They lived in Mattapoisett, and >>> they are aliens. What you can most likely infer: Maria is older than >>> Manuel. Manuel immigrated first. They don't really know how old they are. >>> Manuel's birth years: 1867, 1864, 1877. A 10 year span. Mary/Maria's birth >>> years: 1858, 1862, 1870. A 12 year span. Maybe they are born somewhere >>> outside this span. >>> >>> Nothing says Sao Miguel island. Nothing says Mary/Maria's maiden name >>> was Mello. Nothing says she immigrated under that name. She is born during >>> the third time period where most women didn't have surnames. She may have >>> immigrated under Maria da Conceição, Maria da Estrella, Maria do Rosario.... >>> >>> Start with their deaths and work backwards. You're really not ready to >>> search in the Azores. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. With >>> 900-1000 people of Azorean descent who have taken Family Finder, you match >>> no one with Sao Miguel ancestry. You match with a relative of Evie Silva >>> Kiler who is on this list. I run "In Common With" and everyone on that list >>> is Faial, Pico, or Sao Jorge island. No one is Sao Miguel island. It will >>> help when you are able to get your dad's Family Finder as well. >>> >>> Get the deaths, the obits, burial records, and tombstone photos. Get the >>> children's births and baptisms. Get the marriage. Get the Alien >>> Registration. Manuel's WWI Draft. There's a lot of things to look for here >>> first: https://goo.gl/b0IGW3 >>> >>> Make a time line for your ancestors with the conflicting info. Your >>> ancestors didn't seem to know. Their answers are all over the place. It >>> doesn't look like you'll be able to use their ages with any certainty. >>> You've got to find a document with the island, and hopefully, it will have >>> the freguesia! >>> >>> Good luck! Cheri >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Kim S <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello All, >>>> >>>> I found my great-grand mother on the Passportes List, but can not read >>>> where she came from. Also the name of her travel companion. Any help would >>>> be greatly appreciated! >>>> >>>> It's the line with entry 617 (1329-1333) - Maria Bento de Mello. >>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/ >>>> PASSAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905_item1/P57.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-7, Kim S wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right >>>>> direction. >>>>> >>>>> My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I >>>>> believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, >>>>> Manuel >>>>> Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common >>>>> name, >>>>> Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have >>>>> looked >>>>> for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not >>>>> find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the >>>>> US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they >>>>> immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA >>>>> test >>>>> and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the >>>>> last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked. >>>>> >>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/rBl205zrfb0/unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> [email protected] <javascript:>. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Margaret M Vicente > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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