Any time, Richard. Take care, Margaret
On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel < [email protected]> wrote: > *Thank you Margaret, I was thinking that there is an error on Emilia’s > birth record, and the priest started to write filha legitima corrected > himself and then made a mistake and did not correct himself. * > > *Yes it was the marriage of Emilia that had me questioning the birth > record because she had father unknown. I even found the birth of her first > child in 1896 and for maternal grandfather it had unknown.* > > *That is a great idea to look up the death of Helena’s second husband’s > wife to help narrow down the death date of Antonio.* > > > > *Thanks again Margaret you have been a great help* > > > > *Rick* > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente > *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 2:09 PM > > *To:* azores > *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao > Miguel 1873 > > > > I get it. In that case you already have the background, It rests the > possibility of an error on Emilia's birth record where the natural father > was misnamed. > > > > The Santa Casa obit could be ordered if not on line and you could > approximate time of death, it would have to be around 1871-1872. One other > option would be to find the obit for the 2nd husband's wife to see if he > was still married when Emilia was born. > > > > The answer you are looking for lies with Emilia in my opinion. The > marriage, or her death record would give you the parents names The margin > note says she died at 35 years of age, Sep 14 1924. > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel < > [email protected]> wrote: > > *Margaret, I think that would be and assumption. I have done extensive > research in this parish and there is only one couple with these names and > one other Helena in the parish that is clearly out of the entire time > range. In 1876 when Helena remarries it clearly states she is the widow of > Antonio da Silva Canario See > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P40.html > <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P40.html> > This record uses the name Helena de Jesus but this is just one name > variation she used.* > > > > *Linda said that in the birth record of Emilia she is a widow at that > time. That would be the word going from line 11 to 12. On the birth record > of Emilia. If I could find the obito of Antonio it would help but the > record above says he died in the Hospital in Ribeira Grande. If I could > find out when he died that may answer a few questions. * > > > > *As with all things we may never know the answer.* > > *Rick* > > > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente > *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 12:44 PM > > > *To:* azores > *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao > Miguel 1873 > > > > Richard, the birth of Emilia takes place in 1873. That translates to a 19 > year gap. You may very well be looking at two different people for this > couple is NOT legally married. > > > > Further to this the record does not state 'illegitimate" it says natural. > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel < > [email protected]> wrote: > > *OK Margaret but how do you explain the fact that they were married? Their > marriage took place in 1854 and they had three children at the time.* > > *rick* > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente > *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 12:23 PM > *To:* azores > *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao > Miguel 1873 > > > > Hi Richard and JR. > > The record is intent clear in that it states the natural father Antonio da > Silva Canario and the mother Helena Rosa, widow, naturals, parishioners > residents of the parish. > > it then says that the child Emilia Paternal and Maternal Grandparents are > incognitos. This means both of Emilia's parents, were foundlings and of > unknown parents. > > Hope this helps. > > > > Margaret > > > > On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel < > [email protected]> wrote: > > *JR and I are both scratching our heads on this record We need some other > native speakers to take a look at this record and the wording and perhaps > explain what the writer was trying to say. * > > *A few facts about it are Antonio da Silva Canario and Helena Rosa married > in 1854 and have 3 children at the time of this record (the birth of > Emilia) Antonio is 66 years old and Helena is about 42. Antonio is named > as having died in the Hospital in Ribeira Grande in 1876 when Helena > remarries. * > > *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html > <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html> > Emilia on the right side * > > *The part in question is the priest writes “ filha legitima digo fila > natural Antonio da Silva campaneo e de Helena Rosa” then there is a few > lines before he writes “nita paterna” I can make out part of the line I > think is says that they are both married and residing in the freguesia but > I do not completely understand it all. * > > *In subsequent records Emilia she is named as father unknown. * > > *My feeling is that Emilia is the results of an adulterous affair and > Antonio denied he was the father Helena denied having an affair. The > priest could not determine who was telling the truth. * > > > > *Rick* > > *Richard Francis Pimentel* > > *Epping, NH * > > *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and > Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores* > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > > > > -- > > Margaret M Vicente > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Margaret M Vicente -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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