Yes. No problem. It is Maria Liviamente Berbereia Pinheiro’s lineage. Balbina de Jesus Vieira is her grandmother, daughter of Jose Vieira Lourenco and Gertrude Marianna. I have marriage and birth records for 3 children to verify Balbina. Gertrude Marianna is another easy to follow line, daughter of Francisco Borges de Barcellos and Maria do Carmo. I have her marriage and death and birth record as well as records for 4 children. I do not have much on Maria do Carmo herself but for her husband I have their marriage and his death record as well as the birth records of two children. After that point I start needing to get more records. Her marriage record shows she was the daughter of Manuel Coelho Cotta and Gertrudes Mariana, I have their 5 children’s records and their marriage. Manuel Coelho Cota was the son of Andre Coelho Machado and Tomasia Rosa which is part of my direct line. Manuel’s wife, Gertrudes Mariana, is the daughter of Matthew Coelho Alvares and Maria Josepha. I need more records on this line. Back to Jose Vieira Lourenco, he is the son of Isabel de Jesus. I have a record of him requesting his baptism record but it could not be located. His mother, a witness, Lieutenant Joao Cordeiro Jaques, to the baptism and his godfather, Jose Simoes were present. I’ve keep these names hoping they would provide additional leads but the lead came through a baby sister’s dead record. From that I got that his maternal grandparents were Jose Vieira Lourenco and Catharina Bernarda. Thus Jose’s name. In another record “de Jesus was added to Catharina’s name. His pai is still unknown but I waiting for help on reading some records because it might provide a lead to his father’s line. I have 3 children by Isabel de Jesus, a single woman. Do not know if all the children are by the same man.??? I can only enter it in the database and hope that the DNA testing will help make that determination. The sad part about this fact is that it is a pai unknown at the 2nd Great Grandfather level. Which is going to leave a large part of the tree undeveloped. I have Liviamente asking family about this but I do not think we will find anything since she has already given me everything she had on her family. She only speaks Portuguese so I’m somewhat limited because answers are coming through an interpreter. I know that sometimes people say things that do not make sense and seem to conflict with other information but I have had an situation where when I found the location it matched everything. The farm was located in two states by Providence RI. Everything was correct from many sources down to the name of their school in fact the name of the road. But since I going through a translator and she is my only source…. Most likely I will not be able to get through this barrier. I’m also hoping by posting this information that other will read and maybe I will be able to connect through another relative that may know the answer. I think I will be working on this for a while. Thanks for asking, Doreen
Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: JR Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 6:48 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hepl reading Altares Marriage recordofAntaoMartins Coelho and Joanna Nunes I am sorry if implied anything. I just can't figure out which lines you are following. I guess you are following many lines. I was wondering what happened to the Vieira Lourenco line you were tracking? Is that from Balbina de Jesus? JR On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 11:59:24 AM UTC-4, doreencaetano wrote: I’m unclear about your comment. Are you inquiring about the lineage or the research technique? Research technique: I have a very complete tree for myself which was completely developed by Joao Ventura. It provides me with a very deep tree but not a wide tree. With that frame work I have further developed my tree through DNA work. Through DNA testing of several family members I have tried to isolate the various lines. Some of these relatives are related to me in several ways so it makes Family Finder analysis a little tricky. In that case I have tried test some other relatives with just those lines. I manage several DNA profiles as well as work with several other relatives on the various connections. I have noted these various lines within my database. This helps develop the width of my tree. There is one relative that is going through my lines and Joao’s research gathering the CCA links and connecting them to the tree. I work very hard at connecting the various relatives especially if there is DNA to indicate a connection. I also try to note siblings of my direct relatives which gives width to my tree. The depth of my direct tree was developed by Joao Ventura and through the work of various family members, DNA testing and finding the connections I have been able to develop my tree’s width (family groups/siblings/ 2nd marriages etc). The more I do this the easier it is to find the connections to DNA matches. So now to the present work. I had several relatives which had incomplete trees in other words the part of the tree that is not connected to me directly was blank. I had several DNA matches that might account for these lines but I had not tree to work with to find these connections. Recently I have been working on two relatives’ trees from Raminho and Altares that tie into my family through my Berbereia and Ormonde lines. I’ve been working through marriage index, birth index, birth records, death records, marriage records to develop these trees. I look through index and other leads to find records. I note them in the database hoping they link back to Joao research (which they usually do but in this case not has much). I want at least two records that confirm the connection. Sometimes that means just reading through the CCA site page by page in certain year ranges looking for names that connect. I do this to develop width in the family groups so maybe a different member of the family will provide a new lead. Lineage: If you are asking about the lineage then I need to said that since I’m just developing these trees it will take some time to provide verification of the work on the tree. I will utilize the DNA testing as I can and once connections are made it will help provide the verification of lineage that this present work will require. I will search for more birth, marriage and death records to confirm the connections. I want at least two records but the more the better I feel about the connection and the accuracy of the tree. You are looking at the first step in a long journey for these two trees. Hope this reply provides you with an answer to your inquiry, if not just let me know. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: JR Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:26 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hepl reading Altares Marriage record ofAntaoMartins Coelho and Joanna Nunes I'm having great difficulty understanding how arrived at this generation. JR On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 9:23:11 PM UTC-4, linda wrote: :) On Jun 20, 2017 6:21 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks so much. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: linda Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 6:00 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hepl reading Altares Marriage record of AntaoMartins Coelho and Joanna Nunes on my phone, so please forgive the brevity: Antam/Antao Martins Coelho f: Diogo Fernandes, deceased m: Catharina Coelha/o Joanna Nunes f: Francisco Dias Coelho m: Maria Carvalha/o "all parishioners of this parish" which implies the parents but isn't definitive. All the witnesses are also "parishioners of this parish". It doesn't look like you missed anything-- at least as far as I can see :) Linda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/RUk-gUPbxOI/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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