The information I have about the files for the I.D.E.S. and the U.P.P.E.C. is not current. Here is what I found during the time I was putting the U.P.P.E.C. deceased members into a database.
I had a connection to the U.P.P.E.C. before they merged with the other organizations that became P.F.S.A. At that time I asked the former Supreme Secretary for the U.P.P.E.C. if I could have that years death records to add to the information I had already put into the database. I was told I would have to talk with the P.F.S.A. president. I did this and was told he would look into it. Long story short, I was denied the files. So.....I gave the U.P.P.E.C. a copy of the file that I had put together. They have not used the information when someone has called them for information about a deceased relative they just give the person my email address. At the time I was putting together the information from U.P.P.E.C., I went to the I.D.E.S. office (then in Hayward, CA). I knew one of the workers there; however, she told me that they had so many records and there was no easy way to find the files. I was told they were in their basement and there was no order to them. So.....again, I was not given the opportunity to put the information into a database that could have been used to locate information about the deceased member. I tried one more time to contact P.F.S.A. and was told it would be a violation of confidentiality if they gave me the files I had not already copied. Although the U.P.P.E.C. was founded in 1901, I was told the copies of the first members were burned in a fire at the home of the Supreme President where they were kept. The few early dates I found were in a book written by Joanne Vaz about the society. Because the "original" Supreme Officers' information was still available, some death dates were listed. I know this does not sound helpful for you to find information using the information that P.F.S.A. now has because they feel giving out the information would be a breach of confidentiality. Really this attitude does not help any of us doing research on our ancestors! As I age, I am looking for someplace to leave the database I put together about the U.P.P.E.C. members that died before 2010. If anyone has any idea where the index can be "stored" to be used by family members to learn about things like the birthplace of their ancestors, I am interested in hearing it. Celeste Celeste Perry [email protected] -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 9/9/17, 'Jeremy G. B-C: Researching Sao Jorge' via Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] I.D.E.S. Fraternal Organization To: "Azores Genealogy" <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, September 9, 2017, 11:06 PM Hello, I just found out that my grandfather was a member of the Irmandade do Divono Espirito Santo (I.D.E.S.), does anyone know the whereabouts of their records (if they exist)? Thanks! JEREMY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
