Thanks Rick for the confirmation, and Cheri for the literal translation. I
was struggling with that one. I'll put the wording in my cheat sheet for next
time I run across it. And yes, Cheri - they did have inverted names, making me
just a little bit crazy at times.
Happy new year!
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Date of Birth? Antonio Sebastiao Pimentel, Lomba, Flores
| Mary Pimentel Wheeler <[email protected]>: Jan 01 04:05PM -0800
I "think" Antonio's date of birth AND baptism were both on 22 April 1891,
but I'm not sure. Could someone confirm his actual DOB? Thanks!
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1875-1900/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1875-1900_item1/P168.html
Baptized 22 April 1891
Born 22 April 1891 ????
Son of Sebastiao Jose Pimentel (laborer) & Maria Goncalves de
Freitas(housewife).
Paternal grandparents – Sebastiao Jose Pimentel & Maria Trindade do Coracao
de Jesus.
Maternal grandparents – Joao Antonio Goncalves and Isabel de Trindade do
Coracao de Jesus.
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| Richard Francis Pimentel <[email protected]>: Jan 01
07:18PM -0500
That is the same birth and baptism date I see.
Rick
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Mary Pimentel Wheeler
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 7:06 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Date of Birth? Antonio Sebastiao Pimentel, Lomba,
Flores
I "think" Antonio's date of birth AND baptism were both on 22 April 1891, but
I'm not sure. Could someone confirm his actual DOB? Thanks!
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1875-1900/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1875-1900_item1/P168.html
Baptized 22 April 1891
Born 22 April 1891 ????
Son of Sebastiao Jose Pimentel (laborer) & Maria Goncalves de
Freitas(housewife).
Paternal grandparents – Sebastiao Jose Pimentel & Maria Trindade do Coracao de
Jesus.
Maternal grandparents – Joao Antonio Goncalves and Isabel de Trindade do
Coracao de Jesus.
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| Cheri Mello <[email protected]>: Jan 01 04:25PM -0800
Hi Mary,
He literally said that he was born "in this freguesia at the mid day of the
same day twenty-two of the referenced month and year." Or that's my
translation of it.
I see dad as Jose Sebastiao Pimentel though and his dad as Sebastiao Jose
Pimentel. So either the father and grandfather have inverted names or the
priest had too much vinho!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
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| "Richard Francis Pimentel" <[email protected]>: Jan 01 11:36AM
-0500
Here is an interesting marriage.
Manuel Jacinto Moreira marries Virginia dos Santos Amaral on 25 Apr 1903
here #6
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-190
0-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P40.html
I don't understand everything that is written but something is wrong with
the marriage I think it is that a dispensation was needed so the marriage
was invalid and they had to re do it here #16 on 25 Nov 1903.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-190
0-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P47.html
The first record looks like any other marriage except for the margin note
which was added later. The second one I think it says that after they were
married they need a dispensation for the 4th degree of affinity?
If a native speaker could translate that section so I could better
understand. Thanks.
Rick
Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, NH
Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores
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| Cheri Mello <[email protected]>: Jan 01 08:55AM -0800
I think you are right. Good think you have both. I didn't see the parents
of the bride and groom listed in the 2nd one.
Did they have a child between the marriages?
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
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| "Richard Francis Pimentel" <[email protected]>: Jan 01 12:08PM
-0500
I had not looked for any children. From April to Nov is only 7 months so it
would be interesting to see if there was one in the oven.
Out of the many marriages I have looked at over the years this is the first on
that I have come across that had a recall and do over.
Rick
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 11:55 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage 1903 Ribeirinha SM
I think you are right. Good think you have both. I didn't see the parents of
the bride and groom listed in the 2nd one.
Did they have a child between the marriages?
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel
<[email protected]> wrote:
Here is an interesting marriage.
Manuel Jacinto Moreira marries Virginia dos Santos Amaral on 25 Apr 1903 here
#6
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P40.html
I don’t understand everything that is written but something is wrong with the
marriage I think it is that a dispensation was needed so the marriage was
invalid and they had to re do it here #16 on 25 Nov 1903.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P47.html
The first record looks like any other marriage except for the margin note which
was added later. The second one I think it says that after they were married
they need a dispensation for the 4th degree of affinity?
If a native speaker could translate that section so I could better understand.
Thanks.
Rick
Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, NH
Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores
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| Cheri Mello <[email protected]>: Jan 01 09:14AM -0800
Yeah, that's why I was wondering if they kinda rushed it because the bride
was pregnant.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
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| Margaret Vicente <[email protected]>: Jan 01 01:03PM -0500
Back of the page of the first record states “record #15 that follows was
(reprovado) nullified” margin note also says the dispensation was granted.
The original record stands.
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| Richard Francis Pimentel <[email protected]>: Jan 01
01:40PM -0500
Thank You Margaret. You are always so helpful.
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 1:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage 1903 Ribeirinha SM
Back of the page of the first record states “record #15 that follows was
(reprovado) nullified” margin note also says the dispensation was granted.
The original record stands.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 1, 2018, at 12:14 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote:
Yeah, that's why I was wondering if they kinda rushed it because the bride was
pregnant.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel
<[email protected]> wrote:
I had not looked for any children. From April to Nov is only 7 months so it
would be interesting to see if there was one in the oven.
Out of the many marriages I have looked at over the years this is the first on
that I have come across that had a recall and do over.
Rick
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 11:55 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage 1903 Ribeirinha SM
I think you are right. Good think you have both. I didn't see the parents of
the bride and groom listed in the 2nd one.
Did they have a child between the marriages?
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel
<[email protected]> wrote:
Here is an interesting marriage.
Manuel Jacinto Moreira marries Virginia dos Santos Amaral on 25 Apr 1903 here
#6
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P40.html
I don’t understand everything that is written but something is wrong with the
marriage I think it is that a dispensation was needed so the marriage was
invalid and they had to re do it here #16 on 25 Nov 1903.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P47.html
The first record looks like any other marriage except for the margin note which
was added later. The second one I think it says that after they were married
they need a dispensation for the 4th degree of affinity?
If a native speaker could translate that section so I could better understand.
Thanks.
Rick
Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, NH
Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores
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| Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]>: Jan 01 11:34AM -0800
Margaret, what would be the 4th grau affinity? I can see
brother/sis-in-law, mom-in-law etc. but 4th degree?? How far back are we
talking here for affinity??
Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Margaret Vicente <[email protected]
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| Margaret Vicente <[email protected]>: Jan 01 02:55PM -0500
You’re welcome, Richard.
Rosemarie, it says 4° grau de afinidade lícita. It would put the relation at
the grandparent level.
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| Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]>: Jan 01 12:45PM -0800
Wow, I didn't realize that it would go back that far for affinity! Learn
something new everyday! Thank you so much Margaret! I really thought it
would only be for marrying your sis/brother-in-law or mother/father-in-law.
Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 11:55 AM, Margaret Vicente <[email protected]
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| Lillian Palko <[email protected]>: Jan 01 06:52AM -0800
Thank you Cheri!
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