Hey Cheri…that Charlemagne “thing” is crazy. I don’t understand how that works 
but how far back fo you think one can go before it gets “CRAZY”? 

Gordon

> On Feb 6, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mickey,
> 
> Here's an article that Kathy Cardoza and I co-wrote together on Portuguese 
> naming practices: https://goo.gl/4aU6sP <https://goo.gl/4aU6sP> 
> 
> We don't mention "foreign" names in our article, as "foreign" is only from 
> the view point of another country. Many Portuguese would consider "Williams" 
> to be foreign. James Guill in "A History of the Azores Islands" has a list of 
> surnames with their origin. It was reprinted in the American Portuguese 
> Genealogical and Historical Society. They are no longer around and Guill's 
> book is out of print. Many of us have a copy and will look up surnames for 
> you.
> 
> I haven't made a list of where the surname came from, but I do find the vast 
> majority come from parents or grandparents. I wouldn't limit myself to grands 
> though. They could pick it from wherever. Some surnames I didn't figure out.
> 
> You are going to have to work the records back. It will state if a parent was 
> from a different island or country. It will take a lot of work. I've never 
> traced one of my non-Portuguese based surnames to another country. I ran out 
> of records in the Azores. I got one line to Madeira and a couple of lines to 
> Portugal. If you get a real good line, you'll find out that you go to 
> Charlemagne, but we all go back to him.  Good luck, Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Mickey Blue <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Hi all, I've read online a bit about Portuguese naming practices. One article 
> about the subject mentioned "Foreign names" used in Portuguese family names, 
> and mentioned for example Bettencourt and it also Avila (citing it as being 
> of Spanish origin). The article also mentioned that surnames could come from 
> either parent or grandparent for that matter, but no further removed. My 
> great great grandfather was Manuel Jacinto Avila, his father, was Domingos 
> Antonio ( according to church records for my great grandfather Manuel 
> Jacinto's birth, so I imagine the name came from his mother, or a 
> grandparent). I cannot find birth records in Azores for Manuel Jacinto Avila 
> or Domingos Antonio. I'm thinking that could be because they migrated from 
> Spain. Can anyone suggest how I could establish if that was true?
> 
> This is a great discussion group and I have displayed my ignorance in family 
> research in the past, but everyone has been very forgiving and most helpful, 
> especially Cheri and I thank you all.
> 
> Warm regards
> Michael
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