Yes. I guess I’m confused so I will stay with my terminology when I talk to the people I work with because I know what I mean and can illustrate what I mean to them so we speaking about the same thing. But I may have been applied the term correctly in one case. There are two line in my tree where cousins marry their cousins over several generations. One line is from Altares/Raminho, Terceira. My maternal grandfather’s brother married his maternal 1st cousin. His other brother married an paternal 2nd cousin. Their parents were first cousins. This is why I have been working with others with connections from these two villages because we several difference ways. It was only once I started working wide in the tree (which may be the same thing as robust) is when the connections where easier to locate. I wonder if this would be a correct use of the term? The line other is from Ribeirinha, Terceira but I have not been working that closely with people on this lines. I do not think it would be what you mentioned, endogamy. There are several connections but not that close (my paternal grandparents were at least twice 4th cousins, many cases of siblings marrying other a set of siblings but that is not cousins marrying and cousins marrying into the same family but again that is not cousins marrying cousins). Several people who are related to me through both lines already see the difference. We work together to locate the connections and often we are building much more detailed trees with better documentation. I think everyone benefits from our shared work. I believe it is cutting down on errors or misinformation being passed along. I think everyone who researches these two villages in the future will benefit from our work. Maybe once the Altares group has completed more work/connections maybe I can attempt to start something with my RIbeirinha lines. But this too may be off the topic too. Thanks for your explanation, Doreen
Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 10:27 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A DNA Success Story Endogamy isn't as simple as "cousins marrying." Many people completely misunderstand that explanation. They find that their John Smith marries his first cousin, Jane Jones, and they state "I have endogamy in my tree!" Uh, no they don't. They have a cousin marriage. Those of us who come from truly endogamous populations have to keep explaining this over and over. Endogamy is when a person has MANY ancestors marrying cousins, causing one to be related to various cousins in multiple ways. Any good, fully-featured genealogy program would show this for endogamy: That's just ONE cousin example. I could pick another cousin (not the sibling, not her first cousin), but basically close my eyes and blindly pick another cousin and get something similar. A cousin marriage would have just shown the 4C1R and clicking the Progenitors button to locate the couple in my program would show they are first cousins. So I now state that it's being related to "multiple people in multiple ways." It seems to be a thing in genealogy now where people want to be something else. Many Americans try to claim Cherokee (as if there is no other tribe in America). And now with DNA, people are trying to claim endogamy. When Kalani Mondoy, the Hawaiian Polynesian DNA Admin, and I go to DNA meetings or man DNA education tables, we generally have to go over the difference between a "cousin marriage" and what really is endogamy. We wish people would quit using "cousin marriage" as the definition for endogamy. It's not a cousin marriage. As I mentioned, "robust tree" is how genetic genealogists refer to researching their family genealogy. It's the collateral lines and bringing them FORWARD. When I first got into genealogy in the early 90s, I took a class. We were taught that proper genealogy was to research your ancestral couple (name, date, place and birth, marriage, death), get ALL their kids (same pieces of information), and then get ALL the grandkids (same pieces of information). So basically come forward to the 1st cousin level from an ancestral couple. With DNA connecting us to more of our 2nd, 3rd, and beyond cousins, we are having to bring our trees a little further forward in time, trying to collect the great and even 2 greats of our ancestral couple. Coming forward in time with as many lines as you can is a robust tree. It's not the number lines or the amount of people. It's bringing as many of your lines forward in time as you can. Pedigree collapse is when you find you don't have to research a particular line because you have already researched it because it's being repeated due to cousins marrying. So you don't need to research it back in time. It's already done. Pedigree collapse is researching BACKWARDS. You're kinda morphing pedigree collapse into robust tree and confusing the terms :) Time to start a new thread! This one is completely off topic! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
