Yes as I recall it was twins that were both named Manuel. I searched obits for 
a period after and did not find one for either of them. So apparently the 
intention of the parents was to name both of them Manuel.

 

Rick

 

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:10 PM
To: Azores Genealogy <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Primeira d’este

 

Kathy,

 

I thought it was Rick Pimentel who had a couple of Manuels who both lived. I 
think it's pretty rare, but it did happen. On the boys, I'd check the obits for 
the older son first before scouring the marriages for the older son. 

 

Debbie, the *general* rule that is taught is the birth of the first kid is 2 
years after marriage. I start the day after the marriage and go from there. If 
I don't find any for a couple of years, then I figure I can go forward 
collecting the kids. If I find the bride and groom had a dispensation though, I 
look a couple of years before their marriage. They may have had to wait for the 
dispensation so they started their family in the meantime. That's just my 
method.  Cheri

 

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

 

On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 7:03 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

I was so hoping it meant I finally found their first child, lol. :)  I will 
hunt obits, now for lists of all the children.   Thank you both for all of the 
help in SLC!

 

Thanks. 

 

Debbie

 

 

 

On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 8:19 AM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy 
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

Cheri

 

I’m sure you’re right but I am someone that has two Manuels, both lived, and 
had families…… Not sure if I’m the example you mentioned or not? When I first 
discovered this, I assumed the first Manuel had died. I knew the second Manuel 
had lived …. he married the sister of his oldest brother, Francisco, so I never 
researched that first Manuel. Eventually, after being contacted by another 
researcher, we realized that HER Manuel was the first one in the family, the 
one I had assumed had died. (He had changed his last name to Rodgers, possibly 
to distinguish him from his brother.) This was proven, by the way, with, among 
other things, his obituary that listed all his siblings, including my Francisco 
Pereira da Rosa! Pretty exciting and a reminder to all of us to keep an open 
mind and make no assumptions without proving or disproving them. Oh, also, this 
family had two Maria Delfinas! Thanks a lot, da Rosas, lol. I have never seen 
this in any other of my families with Manuels.

 

Kathy

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On Jul 21, 2019, at 6:27 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

 

So if you see a Manuel, first of the name, then see a Manuel, 2nd of the name, 
the 1st one has died. Yes, someone on this list has found 2 Manuels, both 
married and had kids. However, I'd say that was pretty rare. So generally, the 
first boy has died. Cheri

 

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