Hi Kenneth, It is unusual to me that the verb mashal just about always uses the preposition B for ruling over. Usually the preposition is optional if the meaning is clear without it, and I would have expected it to be absent more, but it is almost always there except for the 2 verses you cite + Is 28:14.
In the case of 2 Sam 23:3, it makes much more sense to mean "ruling in the fear of God" than "ruling over the fear of God", so to get your meaning, I think the preposition B would be required. In the 3 verses without B, there is no other meaning that can be deduced. Also, I don't think it makes sense to say that a righteous man rules over the fear of God. There is no other place in the Bible that says that, and I don't think it is true in experience. For the 1st part of the verse, I think it makes more sense, and it is much better writing, for God to tell David that a ruler of men is to be righteous than for God to say, The Rock of Israel rules over mankind. There would be no purpose to the word dabar. Is dabar used that way anywhere else? Sincerely, -Steve Miller Detroit www.voiceInWilderness.info No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life. - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) > -----Original Message----- > From: kenneth greifer Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 10:46 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [b-hebrew] 2 Samuel 23:3 > > > The JPS translates 2 Samuel 23:3 from 1917 says "The G-d of Israel said, the Rock > of Israel spoke to me, "Ruler over men shall be the righteous, even he that rules in > the fear of G-d." Other translations also sound like that. > > Has anyone tried this idea? "The G-d of Israel said to me a word, 'the Rock of Israel > rules over man, a righteous man is ruler of the fear of G-d' ." I don't know if "ruler > of the fear of G-d" needs a bet before the word "fear" because Psalm 105:20 and > Isaiah 16:1 don't use the letter bet after "ruler" to say to rule over something. > > Kenneth Greifer _______________________________________________ b-hebrew mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew
