Remember what we said about contextualization? I personally don't see the logic 
of "unknown YHWH" in the broader context of God's extensive self-relelation in 
the Torah.

Ex. 3:15
ויאמר עוד אלהים אל־משה כה־תאמר אל־בני ישראל יהוה אלהי אבתיכם אלהי אברהם אלהי 
יצחק ואלהי יעקב שלחני אליכם זה־שמי לעלם וזה זכרי לדר דר׃
 
Deut. 4 is a great chapter and I don't see how it promotes the idea of an 
"unknown (or hidden) YHWH." Are you saying we can only "know" something if it 
has shape or form?

Gary Hedrick
San Antonio, Texas USA

On Dec 10, 2010, at 7:56 PM, fred burlingame wrote:

> Hello Gary:
>  
> Thanks for your comments.
>  
> My answer to your question number 3 follows.
>  
> a. "the unknown יהוה " ; or "the concealed (hidden) יהוה "
> Deuteronomy 4:15-19 concurs. Neither form or time attributes are revealed.
>  
> regards,
>  
> fred burlingame
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Gary Hedrick <[email protected]> wrote:
> 1. You might want to check the archives. In some ways, this thread is 
> reinventing the wheel, so to speak, although I have to admit that your point 
> of view is definitely unique.
> 2. Re: a possible agenda, fair enough.
> 3. Re: olam and your quest for a one-size-fits-all definition; I guess this 
> begs the question, how do you translate it when it refers to God?
> 
> Gary
> 

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