dear jim, On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:29:05 EDT, JimStinehart wrote
>>> Never once is there any suggestion, much less statement, in the text that Esau is providing meat for the community. i was equating "ish ohalim" to "ish sadeh". if "ish ohalim" means "provider for the community" (a pure phantasy) maybe "ish sadeh" means the same thing (also a phantasy). that was exactly my point, to say that it's all in the interpretation. both your version and mine are two phantasies on the same theme. i purposely exaggerated in some places (clearly i agree with you that esau was a hunter, not a farmer), but my version was as exaggerated as yours. >>> It is absolutely clear that the well-being of the community >>>>>>> of which Isaac is the leader... !!!!!!!!! >>> ...is almost entirely dependent on the well-being of the >>>>>>> large flock of sheep and goats, !!!!!!!!! >>> not on hunting (or, for that matter, farming). both descriptions of jacob as a shephard and as a leader are anachronistic. we were discussing the case of the soup bowl (chapter 25), which occurred may years before jacob became a shephard, and many more (14, to be exact) years before he became a leader. in chapter 25 he was just a teenager, and so was esau. from the later chapters, you can see that as jacob became a leader of his community, esau also became leader of his respective community. but in your version, isaac is a leader and esau is the bad guy. >>> Your item #2 above is actually quite helpful in starting to make sense of Genesis 25: 27. i am glad i was helpful in any way... i am aware that my point of view may be contradicting many of the scholars. nir cohen _______________________________________________ b-hebrew mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew
