1. This faint doubling holds for every consonant between two vowels, and it has nothing to do with the presence or the absence of a dagesh. It is present in HIZMAN-NU, as well as in HIZMIYN-NU.
2. I am sorry, but I can not even remotely believe that this dagesh is "caused by the assimilation of two consonants into one". 3. There is a dagesh in the N of LANU, as expected after a patax. 4. I am sorry, but I can not even remotely believe that the ancient Hebrews deliberately doubled in their mouth a singly written consonant. Present day Hebrew speakers and readers don't do it. Isaac Fried, Boston University On Apr 13, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Uri Hurwitz wrote: > --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Isaac Fried <[email protected]> wrote: > > > < I think that what you mean by "hearing" the dagesh is > the faint natural doubling of any consonant,>.. > > Yes, precisely; thus you anwered your own previous > challanges about the presenence of the Dagesh in the spoken > language. It is not prevalent, but it can be heard, as in > the example I offered. > > < The dagesh in HIZMANU, 'we invited, we ordered', follows > a patax, and is there as expected > > > The Dagesh in this case is caused by assimilation > of two consonants into one. In this case they are: > 1. the final Nun of, the root (Z M N), > and 2. the Nun of the the verbal suffix in perf. pl. -...nu . > Identical roots this respect are LUN, LYN, Y$N etc. > > When letters are were assimilated or dropped, they were > often compensated by emphasizing, or doubling the following > consonant. For example: the many verbs with N as an initial > consonant of the root in Qal, Imperf. > > > Uri Hurwitz Great Neck, NY > > > > > > > > > > > > > here N, situated between two vowels, here A and U. One hears it in > AB-BIY, 'my father', AX-XIY, 'my brother', etc. Those who say they > don't hear it need to pay closer attention. > > > Isaac Fried, Boston University > > > > > On Apr 13, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Uri Hurwitz wrote: > > > > > > > > Just say in Heb. "we invited" and, for comparison, "they invited". > You'll hear the dagesh allright in the first. > > Uri > Hurwitz Great > Neck, NY > > > > --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Isaac Fried <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Really, how can a dagesh be "pronounced"? > > > Isaac Fried, Boston University > > > > On Apr 13, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Uri Hurwitz wrote: > > > the Dagesh in the sceond consonant is not pronounced > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > b-hebrew mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew _______________________________________________ b-hebrew mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew
