Ishinan Ishibashi, The Qur'an is a very late text expressing sometimes a mixture of Biblical and Jewish traditions with Arabic traditions. We cannot use it as a reliable source.
Best regards, Firouz Sadegh Pleven, Bulgaria 2012/4/15 Ishnian <[email protected]> > Jim , > > I am sorry to disappoint you but it is mentioned in the Qur'an, it is also > inscribed on a carved stele from the Sargon's II era. It is exhibited at > the > National Museum of Saudi Arabia, Riyadh as 'mdn Thamuwd'. > > Besides, Madiyan, as a 'toponymic', is and has always been a proper name > in > Arabic since time immemorial. > > If you are serious in your investigation about northern Arabia, I would > strongly suggest to you to get in touch at once with Dr. Juris Zarins, an > archaeologist who worked in Saudi Arabia for 15 years and led parts of the > national survey there. Perhaps, he will be of assistance in giving you > accurately the historical facts you lack. > > Take care. > > Ishinan Ishibashi > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Ishinan Ishibashi: > > 1. You wrote: “Try MadA'in SAliH of ThAmuwd in the northern Arabian > peninsula nearby the modern Saudi town of Tubuwk. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mada%27in_Saleh” > > (a) That cite says: “Mada'in Saleh (Arabic: مدائن صالح, madāʼin Ṣāliḥ), > also called Al-Hijr or Hegra (so in Greek and Latin, e.g. by Pliny), is a > pre-Islamic archaeological site located in the Al-Ula sector, within the Al > Madinah Region of Saudi Arabia. A majority of the vestiges date from the > Nabatean kingdom (1st century CE).” > > The 1st century CE is too late for the Patriarchal narratives. > > (b) That cite also says: “The long history of the place and the multitude > of cultures to have occupied the site have led to the several names that > are > still in use to refer to the area. The place is currently known as Mada'in > Saleh, Arabic for "Cities of Saleh," which was coined by an Andalusian > traveler in 1336 AD.” > > 1336 AD is too late for the Patriarchal narratives. > > 2. You wrote: “Also mentioned on a carved stele commemorating Sargon's II > victory over Thamud (705-721) B.C. [National Museum of Saudi Arabia, > Riyad]” > > As far as I know, the name that is attested on that stele is “Thamud”, not > “Mada-in”. > > Although scholars might like an 8th century BCE date for the composition of > the Patriarchal narratives, in my opinion that date is too late. The > dozens > of non-Semitic names in the Patriarchal narratives suggest a mid-14th > century BCE date for both the Patriarchal Age and the composition of the > Patriarchal narratives, including the dating of the name “Hebrew”/(BR-Y, > which I see as being the non-Semitic name E-bi-ir-ya meaning “God Is Lord”. > > Jim Stinehart > Evanston, Illinois > > > _______________________________________________ > b-hebrew mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew > _______________________________________________ b-hebrew mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew
