Karl,

Of course, if על modifies something that is immaterial, that thing is going to 
be immaterial. No argument there. But it's not saying very much. The question 
is whether or not רקיע refers to something material or not. I could use your 
logic here to say that because the wind/spirit hovers על פני תהום ('over the 
surface of the deep') that the תהום is immaterial. But that's simply not the 
case. So your arsenal of examples don't actually accomplish very much here.

Your insistence that because רקע can refer to immaterial things (something I'm 
not quite convinced of just yet), the רקיע is therefore not material, is simply 
an example of totality transfer fallacy. It's like saying that because פנים 
refers to a person/identity (something immaterial), all occurrences of פנים are 
immaterial. It's just not the case. So you haven't closed the logical loop 
here. And I'm ignoring medieval cosmology, so you should too — it's a 
distraction here. The fact that you are going there to support your 
disagreement with my position means nothing. This is about reading the Hebrew 
texts.

You still have not demonstrated your position. I'm happy to be convinced I'm 
wrong on the material nature of the רקיע, but I haven't seen any conclusive or 
even suggestive evidence to that effect. All I've seen is distracting tangents 
leading nowhere. It makes me suspect that asserting the immaterial nature of 
the רקיע may be the result of wanting to read modern-day cosmology back into 
the Bible in order to support a particular kind of inerrantist perspective. I 
can't be sure of that, of course (you can confirm or deny it), but that's what 
it sounds like to me. The evidence just doesn't seem to be there, so it doesn't 
seem to be reading the texts on their own merit.


GEORGE ATHAS
Dean of Research,
Moore Theological College (moore.edu.au)
Sydney, Australia


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