Sorry, I just noticed that in my second point, I failed to mention up front that I was talking about "the final אשׁר חרפת" in 1 Sam 17:45. Hopefully that became clear a paragraph or so later, but apologies for the oversight.
Regards, Stephen Shead Centro de Estudios Pastorales Santiago, Chile On 2 August 2013 17:14, Stephen Shead <[email protected]> wrote: > Ken, > > A small response to the other texts you listed with אלהיו with a > subject/object from outside Israel: The difference with 1 Sam 17:43 is that > באלהיו is immediately preceded by "David". In all the other cases you > listed, even where there is some other candidate in the context whose > "god/s" might possibly be on view (e.g. Jehoiakim in Dan 1:2 or Jonah in > Jon 1:5), there are not named immediately before באלהיו. So I'm not sure > that list has much weight for considering this case. > > And a very minor point I noticed, which has nothing to do with Ken's reply > and is probably irrelevant to the topic anyway: I notice that all the > English translations render the final אשׁר חרפת as "whom you have defied" - > presumably referring to YHWH. But every other reference to Goliath's > defiance (with חרף) explicitly gives the "ranks" (מערכות, battle lines) of > Israel as the object: > v.10 "I defy the ranks of Israel" > v.25 "to defy Israel" > v.26 "he defies the ranks of the living God" > v.36 "he defies the ranks of the living God" > > So in v. 45, I presume the natural antecedent of אשׁר would simply > be מערכות ישׂראל, rather than going all the way back to YHWH. > > (Interestingly, the only translation I saw which opts for that is the > Spanish *Nueva Versión Internacional*, which uses a plural relative > pronoun agreeing with "armies".) > > Stephen Shead > Centro de Estudios Pastorales > Santiago, Chile > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Ken Penner <[email protected]> >> To: Yigal Levin <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" < >> [email protected]> >> Cc: >> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:59:35 -0300 >> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] By Whose God did Goliath Curse >> >> Relevant texts (in which אֱלֹהָיו is not preceded by the tetragrammaton; >> the subject or object is not from Israel) include:**** >> >> Daniel 1:2 //Ezra 1:7**** >> >> 2 Kings 19:37//Isaiah 37:38//2 Chron 32:21**** >> >> Isaiah 8:19**** >> >> Jonah 1:5**** >> >> 2 Kings 17:29**** >> >> Micah 4:5**** >> >> Ezra 1:3**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The pattern seems to be that the suffixed pronoun consistently refers to >> the subject of the verb.**** >> >> >> **** >> >> “*And the Lord gave Jehoiakim the king of Judah into his hand and some >> of the utensils of the temple of God, and he brought them to the land of >> Shinar to the temple of his gods, and he brought the utensils to the >> treasury of his gods.*” (Daniel 1:2, LEB) **** >> >> “*And Cyrus the king brought out the objects of the house of Yahweh that >> Nebuchadnezzar had brought from Jerusalem and placed in the house of his >> gods.*” (Ezra 1:7, LEB) **** >> >> “*It happened that he was worshiping in the temple of Nisroch his god, >> and Adrammelech and Sharezer struck him with the sword. Then they escaped >> into the land of Ararat, and Esarhaddon his son became king in his place. >> *” (2 Kings 19:37, LEB) **** >> >> “*And this happened: he was bowing in worship in the house of Nisroch his >> god, and Adrammelech and Sharezer, his sons, struck him with the sword. >> And they themselves escaped to the land of Ararat, and Esar-haddon his son >> reigned as king in his place.*” (Isaiah 37:38, LEB) **** >> >> “*Then Yahweh sent an angel, and he destroyed every mighty warrior of >> strength, commander, and officer in the camp of the king of Assyria. And he >> returned with shamed face to his land and went into the house of his god. >> And some of the offspring of his loins fell upon him there with the sword. >> *” (2 Chronicles 32:21, LEB) **** >> >> “*Now if they tell you, “Consult the ghosts and the spirits, those who >> chirp and those who mutter. Should not a people consult its gods, the >> dead on behalf of the living,*” (Isaiah 8:19, LEB) **** >> >> “*And the mariners were afraid, and each cried out to his god. And they >> threw the contents that were in the merchant ship into the sea to lighten >> it for them. And meanwhile Jonah went down into the hold of the vessel and >> lay down and fell asleep.*” (Jonah 1:5, LEB) **** >> >> “*Yet every nation was making their gods, and they put them in the >> shrine of the high places that the Samaritans had made, every nation in >> their cities in which they were living.*” (2 Kings 17:29, LEB) **** >> >> “*For all the nations walk, each in the name of its god, but we will >> walk in the name of Yahweh our God, forever and ever.*” (Micah 4:5, LEB) >> **** >> >> “*Whoever among you who is from all of his people, may his God be with >> him and may he go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and may he build the >> house of Yahweh, the God of Israel. He is the God who is in Jerusalem.*” >> (Ezra 1:3, LEB) **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ken M. Penner, Ph.D.**** >> >> Associate Professor, Religious Studies**** >> >> 2329 Notre Dame Avenue, 409 Nicholson Tower**** >> >> St. Francis Xavier University**** >> >> Antigonish, NS B2G 2W5**** >> >> Canada**** >> >> (902)867-2265**** >> >> [email protected]**** >> >> >>
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