Brendan,
this is a backstage list, so 'current audience' requirements here may
be different, see below:
1 iirc the bbc gifs provided have no transparency, so as far as
backstage is concerned they produce pretty ugly results in my
experience, generally contrasting rectangles floating on a google map.
however and beyond this, weather might be a reasonable place for the
bbc to start experimenting with SVG feeds. It is a w3c web standard
technology with significant metadata and accessibility advantages,
which cannot be said of gifs or flash which is proprietary, and one
where the BBC has spent very significant budgets. http://
www.peepo.co.uk demonstrates how svg weather symbols might be
integrated.
2 the thread given previously has more detail, please find attached
just one example "cloudy" please check feed data for 25/07/07
regards
Jonathan Chetwynd
Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/bbcweather/features/symbols.shtml
> http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/world/0008.xml
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=0008
It's true "the actual text in the feed is pretty consistant" it is
consistent, but not in the way defined in the explanations where
there are more than 17 discrete icons used by the BBC.
the fact that you can match 10 text expressions to ten icons means
that your icons are without doubt different in intent to those being
used at that time by the BBC.
for instance as I mentioned, "cloudy" text has been represented by
both a black cloud, and a white one in the last 24 hours for London.
the feeds don't contain the texxt information that differentiates,
though by changing the text systematically this could easily be
achieved.
On 7 Dec 2007, at 16:30, Brendan Quinn wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
I can answer number 1 without asking anyone else: it's because GIFs
serve our current audience need. Our audience wouldn't gain anything
through the use of SVG for static images on the site, and the feed is
obviously just a copy of what we publish to the site.
I understand that you're an SVG evangelist and that's great, but
surely you would want us to use SVG where it adds value to our users,
rather than just as a drop-in replacement for a GIF that doesn't
really prove anything? We don't need to zoom, or scale, or print, or
search our weather symbols, so a GIF suits us fine for now.
For yoru question number 2, can you provide us with examples?
Brendan.
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Brendan,
thanks for your rapid response, please could you ask Mike and Frances
Kathryn had been looking into 2 questions for me before she left:
1 what is the reason that SVG weather symbols are not in the feed?
2 there are frequent discrepancies between the text and the graphics.
this makes it difficult or close to impossible to display the correct
graphic.
ie the text provided when searched for and found, using say php will
provide a different graphic to the one being displayed by the BBC.
this is nothing to do with the previous query, ie either 24 hr - or -
5 day display this error
this thread started 25/07/07: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?
emails exchanged via this list through august, september october to
now...
cheers
Jonathan Chetwynd
Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet
On 7 Dec 2007, at 14:41, Brendan Quinn wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
I've spoken with Mike and Frances, our friendly neighbourhood weather
procducer, and Frances said this:
"The Met Office send the 24 hour forecasts and 5 day forecasts as
separate feeds. Unfortunately they are produced at different times
and there is no QA at the moment to ensure that the forecasts are in
sync. We raise this with the Met Office regularly and they assure us
that they are working to improve their data and put in better QA
processes."
Hope that helps...
Brendan.
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Subject: Re: [backstage-developer] why does 3hrs light rain showers/
24hrs equate to 24hrs heavy showers/5days?
it seems Kathryn has left...
is Mike Hilton on this list?
anyone have contact details?
kathryn fails to provide any....
regards
Jonathan Chetwynd
Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet
On 7 Dec 2007, at 11:47, ~:'' ありがとうございました。
wrote:
why does 3hrs light rain showers/24hrs equate to 24hrs heavy showers/
5days?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/24hr.shtml?world=0008
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?world=0008
comparing these 2 pages for today, the first suggests there is 3
hours light rain showers at 9:00 followed by sunny intervals until
dark then clear all night.
whereas the second suggest heavy showers for Friday, the two just
don't seem to relate at all well.
it would also be great to know if Kathryn's still at the BBC, she's
not responded to my previous posting, though she had taken
responsibility and assured me she would research the matter and get
back....
regards
Jonathan Chetwynd
Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet
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