Richard Edwards wrote:
Hi Tom,
I am another lurker here....
Hi Richard!
I think that the music business and entertainment business will have
to eventually behave like any normal retailer does. Can you imagine
buying a chain-saw and then paying an extra royalty for every piece
of wood that you cut?
No... but then on the other hand, you would buy a phone and then pay for
every phone call you make. I guess depends on the kind of product!
I mean, I think with the music business, it always *has* tried to be
like a normal retailer - selling "units", like in record shops. Once you
have a unit, it's yours to do what you want with... almost. Now,
downloads are treated like units, too. I think following the "units"
root *forces* you to use DRM. So the solution if you don't want DRM is
to use a completely different model for selling content.
I think my approach was in the middle. A bit like an all-you-can-eat
buffet. Pay once, and listen to whatever music you want as much as you
want... the musicians get rewarded depending on how much their work is
listened to.
The record labels wouldn't be too happy with this, of course. Which is
why companies like Sony BMG are trying ever harder to come up with
ellaborate DRM techniques. And / or suing people who copy their music.
That reminds me... has anyone heard of Weed? A DRM-based model for
selling music --- which had a twist. I steered clear because it was
Windows Media Player only - which made me a bit uneasy. But the idea is
quite interesting.
Tom
Well as a member of the public that is what is being asked by paying
more every time you access and pay for the same content that others
have heard on first hearing for free. It is far better for everyone
to pay a fair price upfront, a price that reflects the owners desire
to make money.... once any digital content is released it will always
follow its own route through the public domain.
If you are a professional user of content then your own desire to
earn money should help protect others in the similar business, that
said musicians and film directors have been stealing whole songs,
sounds and ideas off each other for decades.
That is why they have lawyers.
DRM will always be a no go area...... it really is an impossible task
to control.
Hope this makes some sense
Richard
On 8 Dec 2005, at 13:53, tom coombs wrote:
interesting, but would people not try to get around paying? or one
pays and shares the goods.
and do heavy users pay the same as light users ?
another Tom
Tom Kerswill wrote:
Good point! Hopefully that kind of thing would be fairly easy to
pick up though :-)
I suppose it's a bit like chart-rigging or spamming Google or
anything else - a bit of a pain but hopefully possible to get
around it.
Tom
David Sargeant wrote:
I like this idea in theory but, and putting data protection aside,
what is
to stop people just cracking the revenue share info (or 50000
'idle' PCs
playing my songs on loop for that matter) and earning themselves
lots of
money?
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Subject: [backstage] iMP and alternative models to DRM
Hi backstage people,
I'm a bit of a lurker on the list and have been catching up!
Especially on
the iMP and how its DRM has apparently been cracked.
Someone mentioned alternatives to DRM and I just thought I'd throw
something
I've been thinking about into the melting pot. I was thinking of
it in terms
of the music industry mainly, but it would be applicable to any
kind of
content.
Rather than stopping people listing to what they want by using
DRM, how
about every user paying a license which allows them to listen to
any music,
but then sample / monitor what they listen to. For example -
last.fm tracks
what I am listening to on iTunes, whether it's a CD, a download
from iTunes,
or a bit of music from a website. Taking all the data, you can
build a
profile of who's listening to what music. You can then split the
revenue
from the license amongst all content creators, depending on how
much their
content has been listened to. Just like the PRS does with radio
airplay.
Going back to the iMP. As it is really an extension of a radio /
tv player
--- albeit one where the user chooses when and what content they
listen to
--- why not just treat it like any other TV / radio / content
channel?
Sample what everyone is listening to and pay royalties based on that?
I know that this is a huge simplification --- and probably
licensing laws
for old content don't allow it --- but surely in the future this
is going to
be the simplest way to do it? Because it does always seem that
people work
out how to crack DRMs eventually...
... even if the "cracking" is as low-tech as simply plugging an
mp3 player
into the phono output of your computer while playing a BBC show.
Tom
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