> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden > Sent: 15 January 2007 11:39 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [backstage] Five Live Partnership - get your > idea commissioned. > > (Like George, I'm also a producer in the interactive TV > department at the BBC ;) > > > I'm assuming that the Ceefax system, WAP system and XML feeds are > > driven from content from the website. > > It's fair to say that all four come from the same system - > obviously the web gets the full story whilst other platforms > may get "cut down" > versions. I say "cut down" - content is written according to > a style guide in order that the story makes sense in > different situations. So BBCi gets the first four paragraphs > of a story, and journalists writing a story will know to get > the full sense of the story done in four paragraphs, then > anything below it is extra information. > > Or something like that - I'm not a content producer so it's > not my forte. I'm more into systems and processes. > Preferably evil ones! > > > Currently, as each webpage is published it will be considered for > > inclusion on the feeds that provides Ceefax (and WAP and XML feeds). > > Each page will be one of: > > > 1) A web page that has more priority over one that exists > > in the page > > numbering pool. The least important page is dropped from the > > numbering pool and is allocated the ejected page's number. > > 2) Be an update for an existing story, where the existing > > story's page > > number is reused. > > 3) Rejected because of relative unimportance. > > There is, in effect, a database of Ceefax Page Numbers > (CPN) which are > > references to the web page they were created from. > > There is a database, however stories are assigned numbers on > the basis of their editoral priority - and a priority at the > time you're watching. > > That means that a top story is always 103, whilst the fifth > most important story is always 107.
This is not correct. Page 102 lists the stories in 'most important' order, viz: http://www.ceefax.tv/txtmaster.php?page=101&subpage=0&channel=bbc1&search_st ring=101&fontsize=2 The order shown right now is 107 113 104 108 109 110 116 124 > What's important here is that the definition of what's the > top story will change during the day - maybe even during the > hour. And naturally it's all automated, based on the > editorial priorities the editor of the section decides (and > priorities are made cross platform), which can change in a > matter of minutes. Yes. I proposed that the pool of numbers expands to around 300. > I think that's where the problems come in - the lack of > stability does prevent the promotion of content by a specific > page number, which is why for Ceefax, they'll only promote > what they know is present at a number all the time - the main > news headlines on 101 for example. It's also one reason why > BBCi doesn't assign page numbers to individual stories (there > are other, more boring reasons as well!) News headlines are on 101, 102 is the news index, viz: http://www.ceefax.tv/txtmaster.php?page=101&subpage=0&channel=bbc1&search_st ring=101&fontsize=2 http://www.ceefax.tv/txtmaster.php?page=102&subpage=1&channel=bbc1&search_st ring=102&fontsize=2 > Of course that's how it's done now, and that doesn't need to > always be so in the future. > > > When the channel is used on analogue (as it will be for > another five > > years) pressing TXT and the number will give you the page too. > > In some regions only - Border's switching off next year for example! > > > As the MASSIVE TEXT that you have on News 24 and World is a > headline, > > which too can reference a CPN. Also breaking news can > indicate that > > stories are online before on air. > > As I understand it, the massive text (I like that term!) is > manually edited into a graphics system - it's quicker and > more flexible that way. Again, it's only a question of the person in charge of the MASSIVE text (it's about two a half inches high on my TV) just needs to look up the right number. > Actually it's also rare that stories break online before TV - > that's mainly because it takes longer to write out a story > than it does to > quickly pick up a microphone and talk. I do recall occasions where News 24 has been linked to the "online studio" and an important news story has been heard over the PA system. I have often seen headlines appear on the news.bbc.co.uk latest box and not appear on News 24 for some time afterwards. And, as I said before, if there is no online content then there is no real issue about having a number to link to it because ipso facto there is no content to link to. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/626 - Release Date: 14/01/2007 20:29 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
