Hi Michael,
The label's prefix is always in the ISRC code.... this may explain
further...
http://www.riaa.com/issues/audio/isrc_faq.asp
My understanding is that the code is attached to the original and
unique recording..... so many recordings of the same song can have
different codes... but each is unique in its sound after mastering.
They should never be the exact same audio object with different
codes. That does make sense to me, as it is the recording that is
important in this case, not the lyrical content or title.
Obviously this is designed for admin and royalty collection and
therefore the code would probably always be considered along with the
CD label..... which incorporates the other descriptions one normally
requires.
It can quickly become very complicated if you want to include Genre
of music as a description, as you can see from the changing playlists
of radio 1/2 etc.
If it is just for live music, then most listeners will be able to
discern what they are looking at or listening to from the Venue
details along with the Artist name.
So I would look toward the following....
Name, (Song Title)
Artist,
Venue
Date
Album
Composer
Genre
Comments
Obviously there will be other BBC type info that is needed, but these
fields should be enough for a complete description, if I follow your
idea.
ATB
RichE
On 26 Jan 2007, at 13:21, Michael Smethurst wrote:
On the subject of ISRC codes I've spoken to some of the production
people about this
Apparently they're supposed to uniquely identify the audio object
So if a track appears on a single and also appears on an album with
EXACTLY the same recording it should have the same isrc code
BUT
apparently labels often prefix the isrc with something to identify
the label
so if a release is re-released on a different label the tracks on
it often have different ISRC codes even tho they're the same audio
object
Basically they're not guranteed
Anyway, this is what i've been told... i'd be delighted to be told
different...
[and they're also no good for describing live music]
We have come across gracenotes but unfortunately (once again) they
don't really model "the platonic ideal of a song" (just tracks)
so mike flowers pops wonderwall
http://www.gracenote.com/prof/music/album.html/ambdreampop/
7fc4bbab6b367527a59404978be5b833.html
has no "song" to tie it back to oasis's wonderwall
http://www.gracenote.com/prof/music/album.html/britpop/
6ffbeca624a0d776e294e04ece5219d9.html
they just happen to label the track search as song
maybe there's more going on under the skin of the site but i doubt it
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James,
The 128 character description could well be the ISRC code from the
original label.
If it is, then it contains a lot of those same details, and is
unique across all manufactured CD's.
I would also be surprised if you haven't come across these guys....
http://www.gracenote.com/prof_home.html
They seem to have the Song ID database sown up.
RichE
On 25 Jan 2007, at 16:55, James Cridland wrote:
Michael,
Ignoring for a while the question of why the BBC is now looking at
putting third-party music information services out of business,
and being constructive:
The major problem we've found working with any third-party music
data is the issue of non-standard descriptions. Take a well-known
song, which is in our system as... "The Beatles: Norwegian Wood
(This bird has flown)", aka "Beatles, The: Norwegian Wood", for
example. Life gets harder with R.E.M.'s "End of the world as we
know it (and I feel fine)", since R.E.M. is also known as REM and
R. E. M. and... ooh, it's horrid. This needs fixing.
Secondly, working with third-party systems is a little difficult
for cleared-for-broadcast stuff. Oasis's "Fsucking in the bushes"
won't look great on scrolling DLS, however we do it - and
automated swear filters don't work cleverly enough. (I've added an
extra letter in there for work-safe email).
The way we've ended up working with these types of services is to
have to pre-moderate everything before importing, which is a
nuisance but the only way. Easy for us, given the comparatively
small amount of music we play; harder for the Beeb, I'd guess.
If it helps (which I doubt it will), if you go to http://
nowplaying.virginradio.co.uk/vr.js - do it in Firefox so you can
see it on-screen - you'll see the following information within a
JavaScript line:
Artist name ~ artist ID ~ Track name ~ track ID ~ Live on-air
studio ~ Presenter name ~ Presenter image reference ~ short
description of show (which makes no sense right now I notice!) ~
Short legacy web action description ~ Webcam true/false flag ~ DJ
show link ~ Official artist website ~ tickets available true/false
~ 128 character description ~ some number which probably does
something
I appreciate this is nothing to do with what you're asking, but I
wondered whether it was interesting to the conversation.
And I'm always up for a pint.
j
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