On 26/02/2008, Alia Sheikh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Crossland wrote:
>  > On 25/02/2008, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  >>  A free download will allow users of Macs, PCs and, later this
>  >> year, Linux machines to run any Air applications.
>  >
>  > Since Air is proprietary, that it runs on GNU+Linux is not good.
>
> For a certain value judgement of 'good' that is?

It tramples users' freedom and their friendships since we can't know
how it works or redistribute it. That's not good.

>  I like Linux

Please consider calling the system GNU+Linux or GNU/Linux.
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html explains :-)

>  Call me crazy but I think that the fact that companies now have to
>  seriously consider building Linux support into their software products,
>  is a good thing. At the end of the day its an extra thing that your
>  platform can do, its not a reduction in functionality.

But it is a reduction in freedom! :-)

>  If Adobe's press
>  is to be believed then Mr Joe Bloggs running Linux at home will be able
>  to use an app written in Air for free.  I personally consider that 'good'.

If someone running GNU+Linux uses more proprietary software tomorrow
than they use today, that is not good.

>  >>  The BBC is also building prototype applications with AIR.
>
> > The BBC should not require the British public to use proprietry
> > software, so developing these prototypes is misguided.
>
> Now this is a bit hairy - would you be happier if the BBC required that
>  the public could use only non-proprietary software to access any of its
>  work?

You are exaggerating my position :-)

I advocate the BBC requires that the public could use non-proprietary
software to access any of its work.

That is very different to advocating the BBC requires that the public
could ONLY use non-proprietary software to access any of its work.

>  It feels uncomfortably like you're making a moral judgement about
>  the nature of 'good' and 'bad' software and asking the BBC to enforce
>  this.

I feel uncomfortably like you're avoiding thinking about ethical
aspects of your profession.

>  What you suggest might make content harder to access

I don't think so; software freedom increases content accessibility.

>  Certainly if there is a way of doing something that is both free
>  and open source and doesn't keep anyone out of the playground then  it
>  would be hard to see any point in *not* doing that.

Right :-)

>  But if a
>  proprietary thing lets you do something in a way that meets your
>  requirements better, then to argue that it should not be used just
>  because it is proprietary seems very over simplistic.

If a proprietary thing lets you do something in a way that meets your
requirements better, then to argue that it should be used seems very
over simplistic, since it ignores the ethical implications.

>  I wouldn't be happy deciding what people should care about
>  and enforcing it.

I agree, and that's why I advocate the BBC not require proprietary software.

>  > John O'Donovan sounds like he must be a good engineer; sadly he seems
>  > unaware of the social problems he is leading the BBC into when he
>  > praises this proprietary technology.
>  >
>
> You know 'social problems' might be over egging the lily.  A bit:)

When we cannot understand how our computers work we are faced with a
grave social problem.

-- 
Regards,
Dave
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