Sorry fellas.

Can we have this discussion somewhere else ?

This makes life harder for the iPlayer team who will have to look again at what 
they're doing.
this makes life harder for the backstage team who want this list to carry on as 
unmoderated.

We know this stuff is going but discussion and links to it on a bbc hosted list 
is a  no-no as we've pointed out before.

thanks
Jem Stone.


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Paul Battley
Sent: Fri 5/30/2008 2:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [backstage] iPlayer download client for the Mac
 
2008/5/30 Graeme West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Apologies if this is a dupe, or old news. Someone (Paul Battley, I think,
> possibly others) has made a rather nice download client for the streaming
> iPlayer for the Mac.

I'm responsible for the iplayer-dl downloader, but not for the
front-end client. I'm not particularly interested in GUIs myself
(typical programmer!) but I did refactor the code deliberately to
facilitate integration into GUIs in the hope that other people would
write them. There's a couple for OS X, but nothing for Windows yet as
far as I'm aware.

> I've always had trouble with the argument - made somewhat often on this list
> - that the content protection on services like the iPlayer just had to be
> 'good enough' to keep the majority from downloading the content (to keep),
> rather than super-secure in order to keep the tech savvy. This is the proof
> that that argument is wrong.

The iplayer-dl program is still difficult to use for the majority, I
think - and I haven't gone out of my way to address that. It's a lot
easier for Mac users now; if someone writes an easy-to-install Windows
front-end (which could be quite easy with rubyscript2exe and Tk, I
suspect), it really will be available to the masses. That's a low
hurdle to jump. Once it happens, this could be really disruptive.

> So perhaps a download button on the streaming iPlayer (to grab MP4s) isn't
> such a radical idea?

Technically, it's practically there already. Culturally, it's almost
inconceivable. It's entirely an issue of perception.

Paul.
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