On 6/4/08, Etienne Pollard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Brian Butterworth
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What I was saying was that the old Freeview version of BBC Parliament used
> > to have a quarter-screen picture and the information that is now in the
> > Astons was provided using MHEG5.  This was clear text (to keep the bandwidth
> > down) not bitmap graphics.
>
> Forgive my ignorance, but what is an Aston?
Aston Broadcast Systems made a rather popular line of TV caption
generating equipment - what are sometimes known as 'lower third
graphics' are frequently referred to in the UK generically as Astons.

> > OCRing is never going to be brilliant, given the semi-transparent nature of
> > the captions on BBC Parliament.
> >
> > However, a clear text feed of the data would keep the data pure, surely?
>
> The machines that put the captions up on the screen have internal
> text-based logs, to which we have access.  However, since this is
> basically just pulling logfiles off a set of operational machines this
> access isn't 100% reliable.  The data in the log files is of variable
> quality, since there are some speeches that are not captioned, and
> other times captions aren't actually speeches (e.g. reaction shot of
> previous speaker during a long speech can prompt a back and forth of
> captions, even though the same person is speaking throughout the
> changeover in captions).  So although we use the logfiles to get an
> approximate fix, we had to resort to the timestamping game for
> accuracy.

Likewise, the caption may not appear as soon as the speaker does - a
friend of mine spent a most of a summer in a BBC Parliament
transmission gallery, captioning House of Lords coverage in real time.
It took while, but she got quite good at recognising peers by their
beards.

 - martin
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