Graham Donaldson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote at 11:37 on 2008-06-06:

> That's not my impression last time I looked at transparent proxying.  The
> guides for setting up transparent proxies I have seen involve using SQUID in
> a reverse proxy mode, and then using say iptables to redirect the traffic
> from 80 to our proxy port.  Besides, this is all moot, as you can't
> transparent proxy HTTPS.

I've just tested it out - for recent versions all you need to do is add
the "transparent" keyword to squid's config. Other than that it's just a
matter of redirecting the packets using whatever firewall/router you
have in place.

You're right about HTTPS, of course, though a filtering proxy loses a
lot of advantages with HTTPS, since it can only go by hostname rather than
examining content, at which point you could probably achieve a similar
result at the IP or DNS level.

> Once again, school's use cache appliances supported by a particular vendor. 
> If their product doesn't support transparent proxying, then it doesn't
> support transparent proxying.

Fair, though that sort of inflexibility is one reason why I've come to
dislike the "appliance" model of computing. Probably pretty much
unavoidable in a school environment though, I suppose.

> I wouldn't call it "fixing" our config, I'd call it fixing someone elses's
> mistake, because application writers, who have large audiences using proxy
> servers, can't be bothered, or are too inept to support them.

Sorry - I didn't mean to imply that your config was broken, just that
it's probably easier to change a/some central points on your network(s)
rather than lobbying all of the many application vendors you might
encounter to add the feature to their apps, desirable though it
obviously is.

A friend of mine came up with a nice approach to this sort of problem a
while back which involved using an image-aware packet sniffer* at the
network gateway and displaying the results on a large plasma screen in
reception. Probably not appropriate in a school environment though ;-)

* http://www.ex-parrot.com/~chris/driftnet/ - fun!

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