2008/9/25 Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >> >
>> >> > Shall I carry on?
>> >>
>> >> Okay, I agree that for the UI it seems Microsoft has similar features
>> >> to Apple and Google.
>> >
>> > Ah, the Windows, Icons, Mouse and Pointer invented so very long ago by
>> > Xerox
>>
>> Xerox didn't invent touchscreens with (pseudo) 3D accelerated
>> interaction models AFAIK ;p
>
> Sorry, I thought we were talking about the User Interface not the input
> methods...

These aren't as discrete as you suggest; ie, the M in WIMP is an input
method, the WI&P are UIs.

And the UIs of these phones don't seem very WIMPish to me:
Touchscreens collapse the separation between the Mouse and Pointer,
and the screen size of mobile computers is small which means
overlapping Windowing doesn't work well. Thus the visual dominance of
the icons in the iPhone OS UI, and the invisibility of the majority of
the modes of interaction.

> Not sure about touchscreens, Wikipedia says "Virtually all of the
> significant touchscreen technology patents were filed during the 1970s and
> 1980s and have expired."
> And I'm sure that the gyroscopic sensors were around back when "Tomorrow's
> World" was on...

Sure, none of the individual parts - fast CPU, big RAM, solid state
disk, 3D graphics chip, high res color display okay in sunlight, touch
screen input, long battery life, wireless, GPS, gyroscope, and pocket
size form factor for all - are new this decade by a long shot, and I
have a sense that the fastest rate of computer hardware innovation was
in the 70s.

But the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, and the price drop
is staggering.

> Perhaps this just proves Android=mashup OS?

AIUI the iPhone has the mashup OS, because the only way to program it
seriously is with webapps. However, Android (if it isn't fettered) and
OpenMoko (which has protection against fettering via GPL) provide
access to the hardware so developers can really program these devices.

Over on the Free Software Business mailing list recently, Tom Lord
paraphrased Eben Moglen's outline of the strategy of GPLv3:

"The strategy:  engage in diplomacy with [cloud computing
vendors] and push as hard as you can on all forms of
truly personal computing in software freedom.

Rationale:  In 10 years, the number of people with access
to personal computing hardware is going to skyrocket relative
even to today's numbers.  That is where the main action [is].
In 10 years, the ad-broker model will have broken when
the price-bubble on ads bursts and also when users get fed
up with the privatized secret police starting to emerge out
of the muck -- and given all of that available *personal*
computing, the [software freedom] community will have
ample room to work around those scary services."
- http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?msn:12045:cllbikaneglapjlfljcf

(IMO a nice thread if you have time, btw)

In contrast it seems most people are planning for the core of the
network to continue outpacing the periphery. I'm not sure, because it
seems likely that portable computing will follow the same price-power
curve that desktop computing did. Plus, I agree with Moglen/Lord that
there will be several large privacy disasters - of the kind that we in
the UK are most familiar with thanks to our data-greedy yet
incompetent state.

Together this will put people off centralised cloud computing and on
to personal cloud computing.

-- 
Regards,
Dave
(Personal opinion only)
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