Quite. Would be so good if the Beeb were to put their weight behind a GStreamer plugin for their content.. or one that could talk to multiple media players... enabling, say, Mplayer, MythTV, totem, whatever-the-heck-the-user-interface-is to talk to, select, and play content.
Fine - stipulate streaming... but not over specific link-layers! Or if it needs to cache all the content - fine.. write out a temporary encrypted file. How about using Octoshape as a model in how it hands off the data to the local playback client? Maybe even offer a CLI that can be scheduled using Cron.. so the material stays encrypted until handoff.. But maybe release the closed library under a source licence similar to, say, OpenMotif. This is under a licence that allows recompilation but not modification. LGPL shim... open clients then talk to it. This is not a hardware device you are talking about - it's to enable the iPlayer service to reach out - And what is this about *specific devices* being licensed? This only restricts you. Device *classes*, I understand... but being kingmakers for specific hardware? Sorry if I'm ranting... On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 21:31 +0200, Richard P Edwards wrote: > Yes...... but this list was around before GeoIP, and before the Rights > holders had a clue about the internet. Equally, the Trust now. > I saw exactly the same things happening with music. > Now, twenty years later, some of the music Rights holders have got the > plot. What I would like to know is whether anyone inside the BBC is > actually educating the similar owners of the content in order for them > to see things as I/we do? > If no one is, then the pace of technical development.... and in > addition, earning more income in places, is slowed to a snails pace. > Best wishes > Richard > > On 30 Sep 2010, at 18:47, Anthony McKale wrote: > > > Ok puts on bbc hat, lots of us like open source commit to open > > source etc etc > > > > iPlayer’s a bit of a special case where were often legally bound not > > to share the files for > > Rights reasons or even if we do have the rights we have geoip > > agreements not to share them abroad, > > then if we do finally have all the above then we have competition > > issues with competitors getting rather > > Annoyed when we share things there trying to sell, > > > > And at that point I’d advise everyone interested to contact the bbc > > trust would decides such things, > > > > Basically the way to get our video/audio on the web is flash at the > > moment, when html 5 matures and gets > > drm maybe we’ll use that or what ever the new kid on the block is, > > it won’t be my decision that’s for sure > > > > Have a look at the work done for radio aunty and such to see > > excellent ways of embedding flash into your page > > > > Ant > > > > > > On 30/09/2010 17:42, "Alex Cockell" <a...@acockell.eclipse.co.uk> > > wrote: > > > > > And by doing so, they're only pissing off their best viewers - the > > > early adopters. Shooting themselves in the foot when hobbyists > > > only want to *help* > > > > > > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > > > They've been going out of their way trying to stop unapproved > > > apps > > > > grabbing content. They put a lot of effort into making sure > > > content is > > > > unavailable to open source systems when simply leaving it as is > > > would > > > > mean anyone could write on top of iPlayer. > > > > > > > > e.g. read the second PDF > > > > > > > http://pjakma.wordpress.com/2010/05/17/bbc-response-to-my-iplayer-drm-foi-request/ > > > > > > > > > > > Open Source gets a mention under meetings with Technology, > > > Piracy and > > > > Enforcement ticked in the header of the minutes. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Anthony McKale > > > > <anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > Replace BBC with iPlayer and I'd agree with some of those > > > points, it's > > > > > more a indifference and lack of care rather than being > > > directly > > > > > hostile though. > > > > > > > > > > And I'd say that will changes rather soon, due to various > > > management > > > > > changes. > > > > > > > > > > Ps since no one's publicly said I can't.... > > > > > > > > > > Here's some really good ref data feeds (ps like all these > > > feeds > > > > > PROXY-CACHE don't hit feeds directly or you'll kill them) > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ion/refdata/type/service/ > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ion/refdata/type/category/ > > > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ion/refdata/type/masterbrand/service_type/tv/id > > > > > > > > s/service1/ids/sevice2/ > > > > > > > > > > eg > > > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ion/refdata/type/service/discoverable_only/1/fo > > > > > > > > rmat/json > > > > > > > > > > Very useful reference feed for ion, ps you guys aren't missing > > > much > > > > > from not having access to the wiki, it's mainly incomplete, > > > inaccurate > > > > > or out-of-date. > > > > > > > > > > Zap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 30/09/2010 13:15, "Iain Wallace" <ikwall...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Unlikely. The BBC have gone out of their way to be hostile > > > to open > > > > > > source attempts at using iPlayer content, however you will > > > find > > > > > > working examples and programs for playing iPlayer stuff on > > > pretty > > > > > > much anything on that same wiki. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Alex Cockell > > > > > > <a...@acockell.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > I'm not personally looking for metadata, but it would be > > > great if > > > > > > > some of the open-source players were permitted back into > > > the fold, > > > > > > > meaning that VLC and the like could play BBC content... > > > Especially > > > > > > > for cpu architectures that Adobe don't support. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, and be able to distribute said player plugins in Linux > > > distro > > > > > > > repositories. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I want to be able to play content on my n900 again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > > > > > > > Not sure what you're looking for, but all the metadata > > > that > > > > > > > > iPlayer pages uses to build a programme page is openly > > > accessible > > > > > > > > http://beebhack.wikia.com/wiki/IPlayer_Metadata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It can't not be otherwise the javascript on those pages > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > > work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Anthony McKale > > > > > > > > <anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > it uses some of them, but iplayer it's self is created > > > from > > > > > > > > > them too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk on behalf of Mo > > > McRoberts > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed 9/29/2010 2:52 PM > > > > > > > > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 14:23, Anthony McKale > > > > > > > > > <anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > yah the feeds aren't https/firewall protected so > > > i'm > > > > > > > > > > guessing no one should > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > or at least it'll be a lesson to them if they didn't > > > want > > > > > > > > > > folks accessing them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If memory serves either the EMP SWF itself or the > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > JS makes use of them, which would require their > > > visibility. I > > > > > > > > > could be wrong, though -- I can't for the life of me > > > recall > > > > > > > > > how I came to believe this to be the case, so I could > > > just be > > > > > > > > > making things up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. > > > To > > > > > > > > > unsubscribe, please visit > > > > > > > > > > > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > > > > > > > > Unofficial list archive: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. 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