As mentioned in a previous email, I had a problem getting backuppc to start
or stay running when I first installed it. I found I had to ensure that the
temp file location was created in in /var/run/BackupPC before starting the
daemon. If backuppc uses a temp file location for your distro, I assume it
does, then it will be needed to start the daemon, regardless whether you
start it manually or form the init script.
You could look and see if you have a directory at /var/run/BackupPC
The config.pl parameter below will tell you where this directory should be
created:
$Conf{RunDir} = '/var/run/BackupPC';
If you don't have the correct directory, try creating it (of course
customize this to your run dir location from config.pl):
$ mkdir -p /var/run/BackupPC
$ chown [backuppc-user]:[backuppc-group] /var/run/BackupPC
Then try starting the daemon again.
I ended up adding a temp file system check to my init script for backuppc:
checkTempFs() {
if `test -d /var/run/BackupPC`; then
echo "BackupPC tempfs exisits"
else
mkdir -p /var/run/BackupPC
chown backuppc:backuppc /var/run/BackupPC
echo "BackupPC tempfs created"
fi
}
Then I I added the "checkTempFs()" function to the init script's "start"
function:
start() {
# Make sure /var/run/BackupPC tempfs exisits
* checkTempFs *
echo -n "Starting BackupPC: "
daemon --user backuppc /usr/local/BackupPC/bin/BackupPC -d
RETVAL=$?
echo
[ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && touch /var/lock/subsys/backuppc || \
RETVAL=1
return $RETVAL
}
David
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Bob of Donelson Trophy <
b...@donelsontrophy.net> wrote:
> (Sorry, David. 'Hit' reply instead of "reply-all". So your getting a
> duplicate.)
>
> Yes, I am following the steps below.
>
> However the "./configure.sh --prefix option" suggestion to add to the
> rsync-bpc, I did not do as running "./configure.sh" reports that is has
> installed in /usr/local/bin by default. Keywords in that suggestion
> sentence are "default might be . . .".
>
> Also, your config.pl file is very much identical to mine except I have
> not yet installed samba.
>
> I am having trouble getting backuppc to run manually (have not activated
> the init.d script, yet.)
>
> I am struggling with file permissions and will not get back to post any
> specific questions until late this afternoon or tomorrow.
>
> So far the project seems to be progressing well.
>
>
> ---
>
> _______________________________
>
> Bob Wooden of Donelson Trophy
> 615.885.2846www.donelsontrophy.com
> "Everyone deserves an award!!"
>
> On 2015-07-27 11:29, David Cramblett wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> My samba packages on CentOS 7:
>
> samba-common-4.1.12-21
> samba-libs-4.1.12-21
> samba-client-4.1.12-21
>
> I just wanted to double check, your following these steps below for your
> backuppc install correct?
>
> #------------------------------------------------------------------------
> # Installation instructions: download and install all three tar balls.
> #------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> BackupPC-XS-0.30.tar.gz:
>
> tar zxvf BackupPC-XS-0.30.tar.gz
> cd BackupPC-XS-0.30
> perl Makefile.PL
> make
> make test
> make install
>
> rsync-bpc-3.0.9.3.tar.gz:
>
> tar zxvf rsync-bpc-3.0.9.3.tar.gz
> cd rsync-bpc-3.0.9.3
> ./configure.sh
> make
> make install
>
> BackupPC-4.0.0alpha3.tar.gz:
>
> tar zxvf BackupPC-4.0.0alpha3.tar.gz
> cd BackupPC-4.0.0alpha3
> ./configure.pl
>
> The last step for each will need to be run as a privileged user.
>
> If you want to install rsync_bpc in /usr/local/bin (default might be
> /usr/bin), then you should add the --prefix option to configure.sh:
>
> ./configure.sh --prefix=/usr/local
>
> David
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Bob of Donelson Trophy <
> b...@donelsontrophy.net> wrote:
>
>> This is a BIG help. Thank you.
>>
>> I have re-installed my server with CentOS7. Resolved all (I think) my
>> dependencies issues. Currently having some file permissions issues with
>> Apache. My linux education continues.
>>
>> As I look through your file, the initial question is, what version Samba
>> have you installed? Or is it smbclient?
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> _______________________________
>>
>> Bob Wooden of Donelson Trophy
>> 615.885.2846www.donelsontrophy.com
>> "Everyone deserves an award!!"
>>
>> On 2015-07-26 12:24, David Cramblett wrote:
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> Here is my config.pl. Anything in braces{ } is data I sanitized before
>> sharing my config file.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==================== config.pl =====================
>>
>> $Conf{ServerHost} = '{BACKUPPC_HOST}.{MY_DOMAIN}';
>> $Conf{ServerPort} = -1;
>> $Conf{ServerMesgSecret} = '';
>> $Conf{MyPath} = '/bin';
>> $Conf{UmaskMode} = 23;
>> $Conf{WakeupSchedule} = [
>> 1,
>> 2,
>> 3,
>> 4,
>> 5,
>> 6,
>> 7,
>> 21,
>> 22,
>> 23
>> ];
>> $Conf{PoolV3Enabled} = '0';
>> $Conf{MaxBackups} = 4;
>> $Conf{MaxUserBackups} = 4;
>> $Conf{MaxPendingCmds} = 15;
>> $Conf{CmdQueueNice} = 10;
>> $Conf{MaxBackupPCNightlyJobs} = 4;
>> $Conf{BackupPCNightlyPeriod} = 2;
>> $Conf{PoolSizeNightlyUpdatePeriod} = 16;
>> $Conf{MaxOldLogFiles} = 7;
>> $Conf{DfPath} = '/usr/bin/df';
>> $Conf{DfCmd} = '$dfPath $topDir';
>> $Conf{SplitPath} = '/usr/bin/split';
>> $Conf{ParPath} = undef;
>> $Conf{CatPath} = '/usr/bin/cat';
>> $Conf{GzipPath} = '/usr/bin/gzip';
>> $Conf{Bzip2Path} = '/usr/bin/bzip2';
>> $Conf{DfMaxUsagePct} = 98;
>> $Conf{DHCPAddressRanges} = [];
>> $Conf{BackupPCUser} = '{BACKUPPC_USER}';
>> $Conf{TopDir} = '/backuppc';
>> $Conf{ConfDir} = '/etc/BackupPC';
>> $Conf{LogDir} = '/var/log/BackupPC';
>> $Conf{RunDir} = '/var/run/BackupPC';
>> $Conf{InstallDir} = '/usr/local/BackupPC';
>> $Conf{CgiDir} = '/var/www/cgi-bin';
>> $Conf{BackupPCUserVerify} = '1';
>> $Conf{HardLinkMax} = 31999;
>> $Conf{PerlModuleLoad} = undef;
>> $Conf{ServerInitdPath} = undef;
>> $Conf{ServerInitdStartCmd} = '';
>> $Conf{FullPeriod} = '6.97';
>> $Conf{IncrPeriod} = '0.97';
>> $Conf{FillCycle} = 0;
>> $Conf{FullKeepCnt} = [
>> 2,
>> 0,
>> 6
>> ];
>> $Conf{FullKeepCntMin} = 1;
>> $Conf{FullAgeMax} = 90;
>> $Conf{IncrKeepCnt} = 6;
>> $Conf{IncrKeepCntMin} = 1;
>> $Conf{IncrAgeMax} = 30;
>> $Conf{BackupsDisable} = 0;
>> $Conf{RestoreInfoKeepCnt} = 10;
>> $Conf{ArchiveInfoKeepCnt} = 10;
>> $Conf{BackupFilesOnly} = {};
>> $Conf{BackupFilesExclude} = {};
>> $Conf{BlackoutBadPingLimit} = 3;
>> $Conf{BlackoutGoodCnt} = 7;
>> $Conf{BlackoutPeriods} = [
>> {
>> 'hourEnd' => 24,
>> 'weekDays' => [
>> 1,
>> 2,
>> 3,
>> 4,
>> 5
>> ],
>> 'hourBegin' => 7
>> }
>> ];
>> $Conf{BackupZeroFilesIsFatal} = '1';
>> $Conf{XferMethod} = 'rsync';
>> $Conf{XferLogLevel} = 1;
>> $Conf{ClientCharset} = '';
>> $Conf{ClientCharsetLegacy} = 'iso-8859-1';
>> $Conf{SmbShareName} = [
>> 'C$'
>> ];
>> $Conf{SmbShareUserName} = '';
>> $Conf{SmbSharePasswd} = '';
>> $Conf{SmbClientPath} = '/usr/bin/smbclient';
>> $Conf{SmbClientFullCmd} = '$smbClientPath \\\\$host\\$shareName $I_option
>> -U $userName -E -d 1 -c tarmode\\ full -Tc$X_option - $fileList';
>> $Conf{SmbClientIncrCmd} = '$smbClientPath \\\\$host\\$shareName $I_option
>> -U $userName -E -d 1 -c tarmode\\ full -TcN$X_option $timeStampFile -
>> $fileList';
>> $Conf{SmbClientRestoreCmd} = '$smbClientPath \\\\$host\\$shareName
>> $I_option -U $userName -E -d 1 -c tarmode\\ full -Tx -';
>> $Conf{TarShareName} = [
>> '/'
>> ];
>> $Conf{TarClientCmd} = '$sshPath -q -x -n -l root $host env LC_ALL=C
>> $tarPath -c -v -f - -C $shareName+ --totals';
>> $Conf{TarFullArgs} = '$fileList+';
>> $Conf{TarIncrArgs} = '--newer=$incrDate+ $fileList+';
>> $Conf{TarClientRestoreCmd} = '$sshPath -q -x -l root $host env LC_ALL=C
>> $tarPath -x -p --numeric-owner --same-owner -v -f - -C $shareName+';
>> $Conf{TarClientPath} = '/usr/bin/gtar';
>> $Conf{RsyncClientPath} = '/usr/bin/rsync';
>> $Conf{RsyncBackupPCPath} = '/usr/local/bin/rsync_bpc';
>> $Conf{RsyncSshArgs} = [
>> '-e',
>> '$sshPath -l root'
>> ];
>> $Conf{RsyncShareName} = [
>> '/'
>> ];
>> $Conf{RsyncdClientPort} = 873;
>> $Conf{RsyncdUserName} = '';
>> $Conf{RsyncdPasswd} = '';
>> $Conf{RsyncFullArgsExtra} = [
>> '--checksum'
>> ];
>> $Conf{RsyncArgs} = [
>> '--super',
>> '--recursive',
>> '--protect-args',
>> '--numeric-ids',
>> '--perms',
>> '--owner',
>> '--group',
>> '-D',
>> '--times',
>> '--links',
>> '--hard-links',
>> '--delete',
>> '--partial',
>> '--log-format=log: %o %i %B %8U,%8G %9l %f%L',
>> '--stats'
>> ];
>> $Conf{RsyncArgsExtra} = [];
>> $Conf{RsyncRestoreArgs} = [
>> '--recursive',
>> '--super',
>> '--protect-args',
>> '--numeric-ids',
>> '--perms',
>> '--owner',
>> '--group',
>> '-D',
>> '--times',
>> '--links',
>> '--hard-links',
>> '--delete',
>> '--partial',
>> '--log-format=log: %o %i %B %8U,%8G %9l %f%L',
>> '--stats'
>> ];
>> $Conf{FtpShareName} = [
>> ''
>> ];
>> $Conf{FtpUserName} = '';
>> $Conf{FtpPasswd} = '';
>> $Conf{FtpPassive} = '1';
>> $Conf{FtpBlockSize} = 10240;
>> $Conf{FtpPort} = 21;
>> $Conf{FtpTimeout} = 120;
>> $Conf{FtpFollowSymlinks} = '0';
>> $Conf{ArchiveDest} = '/tmp';
>> $Conf{ArchiveComp} = 'gzip';
>> $Conf{ArchivePar} = '0';
>> $Conf{ArchiveSplit} = 0;
>> $Conf{ArchiveClientCmd} = '$Installdir/bin/BackupPC_archiveHost
>> $tarCreatePath $splitpath $parpath $host $backupnumber $compression
>> $compext $splitsize $archiveloc $parfile *';
>> $Conf{SshPath} = '/usr/bin/ssh';
>> $Conf{NmbLookupPath} = '/usr/bin/nmblookup';
>> $Conf{NmbLookupCmd} = '$nmbLookupPath -A $host';
>> $Conf{NmbLookupFindHostCmd} = '$nmbLookupPath $host';
>> $Conf{FixedIPNetBiosNameCheck} = '0';
>> $Conf{PingPath} = '/usr/bin/ping';
>> $Conf{PingCmd} = '$pingPath -c 1 -w 3 $host';
>> $Conf{PingMaxMsec} = 20;
>> $Conf{CompressLevel} = 3;
>> $Conf{ClientTimeout} = 72000;
>> $Conf{DumpPreUserCmd} = undef;
>> $Conf{DumpPostUserCmd} = undef;
>> $Conf{DumpPreShareCmd} = undef;
>> $Conf{DumpPostShareCmd} = undef;
>> $Conf{RestorePreUserCmd} = undef;
>> $Conf{RestorePostUserCmd} = undef;
>> $Conf{ArchivePreUserCmd} = undef;
>> $Conf{ArchivePostUserCmd} = undef;
>> $Conf{UserCmdCheckStatus} = '0';
>> $Conf{ClientNameAlias} = undef;
>> $Conf{SendmailPath} = '/usr/sbin/sendmail';
>> $Conf{EMailNotifyMinDays} = '2.5';
>> $Conf{EMailFromUserName} = 'backuppc';
>> $Conf{EMailAdminUserName} = 'backuppc';
>> $Conf{EMailUserDestDomain} = '@{MY_DOMAIN}';
>> $Conf{EMailNoBackupEverSubj} = undef;
>> $Conf{EMailNoBackupEverMesg} = undef;
>> $Conf{EMailNotifyOldBackupDays} = 7;
>> $Conf{EMailNoBackupRecentSubj} = undef;
>> $Conf{EMailNoBackupRecentMesg} = undef;
>> $Conf{EMailNotifyOldOutlookDays} = 5;
>> $Conf{EMailOutlookBackupSubj} = undef;
>> $Conf{EMailOutlookBackupMesg} = undef;
>> $Conf{EMailHeaders} = 'MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> ';
>> $Conf{CgiAdminUserGroup} = '';
>> $Conf{CgiAdminUsers} = '{ADMIN_USER}';
>> $Conf{SCGIServerPort} = -1;
>> $Conf{CgiURL} = 'http://
>> {BACKUPPC_HOST}.{MY_DOMAIN}/cgi-bin/BackupPC_Admin';
>> $Conf{RrdToolPath} = '/usr/bin/rrdtool';
>> $Conf{Language} = 'en';
>> $Conf{CgiUserHomePageCheck} = '';
>> $Conf{CgiUserUrlCreate} = 'mailto:%s';
>> $Conf{CgiDateFormatMMDD} = 1;
>> $Conf{CgiNavBarAdminAllHosts} = '1';
>> $Conf{CgiSearchBoxEnable} = '1';
>> nf{CgiNavBarLinks} = [
>> {
>> 'link' => '?action=view&type=docs',
>> 'lname' => 'Documentation',
>> 'name' => undef
>> },
>> {
>> 'link' => 'http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net',
>> 'lname' => undef,
>> 'name' => 'Wiki'
>> },
>> {
>> 'link' => 'http://backuppc.sourceforge.net',
>> 'lname' => undef,
>> 'name' => 'SourceForge'
>> }
>> ];
>> $Conf{CgiStatusHilightColor} = {
>> 'Reason_backup_failed' => '#ffcccc',
>> 'Reason_backup_done' => '#ccffcc',
>> 'Reason_backup_canceled_by_user' => '#ff9900',
>> 'Reason_no_ping' => '#ffff99',
>> 'Disabled_OnlyManualBackups' => '#d1d1d1',
>> 'Status_backup_in_progress' => '#66cc99',
>> 'Disabled_AllBackupsDisabled' => '#d1d1d1'
>> };
>> $Conf{CgiHeaders} = '<meta http-equiv="pragma" content="no-cache">';
>> $Conf{CgiImageDir} = '/var/www/html/BackupPC';
>> $Conf{CgiExt2ContentType} = {};
>> $Conf{CgiImageDirURL} = '/BackupPC';
>> $Conf{CgiCSSFile} = 'BackupPC_stnd.css';
>> $Conf{CgiUserConfigEditEnable} = '1';
>> $Conf{CgiUserConfigEdit} = {
>> 'EMailOutlookBackupSubj' => '1',
>> 'ClientCharset' => '1',
>> 'TarFullArgs' => '1',
>> 'RsyncdPasswd' => '1',
>> 'FtpBlockSize' => '1',
>> 'IncrKeepCnt' => '1',
>> 'FixedIPNetBiosNameCheck' => '1',
>> 'SmbShareUserName' => '1',
>> 'EMailFromUserName' => '1',
>> 'ArchivePreUserCmd' => '0',
>> 'PingCmd' => '0',
>> 'FullAgeMax' => '1',
>> 'FtpUserName' => '1',
>> 'PingMaxMsec' => '1',
>> 'CompressLevel' => '1',
>> 'DumpPreShareCmd' => '0',
>> 'BackupFilesOnly' => '1',
>> 'EMailNotifyOldBackupDays' => '1',
>> 'EMailAdminUserName' => '1',
>> 'BlackoutPeriods' => '1',
>> 'NmbLookupFindHostCmd' => '0',
>> 'MaxOldPerPCLogFiles' => '1',
>> 'TarClientCmd' => '0',
>> 'EMailNotifyOldOutlookDays' => '1',
>> 'SmbSharePasswd' => '1',
>> 'SmbClientIncrCmd' => '0',
>> 'FullKeepCntMin' => '1',
>> 'RsyncArgs' => '1',
>> 'FtpFollowSymlinks' => '1',
>> 'ArchiveComp' => '1',
>> 'TarIncrArgs' => '1',
>> 'EMailUserDestDomain' => '1',
>> 'TarClientPath' => '0',
>> 'RestoreInfoKeepCnt' => '1',
>> 'UserCmdCheckStatus' => '0',
>> 'RsyncdClientPort' => '1',
>> 'IncrAgeMax' => '1',
>> 'RsyncdUserName' => '1',
>> 'RsyncRestoreArgs' => '1',
>> 'ClientCharsetLegacy' => '1',
>> 'SmbClientFullCmd' => '0',
>> 'ArchiveInfoKeepCnt' => '1',
>> 'FtpShareName' => '1',
>> 'BackupZeroFilesIsFatal' => '1',
>> 'EMailNoBackupRecentMesg' => '1',
>> 'FtpPort' => '1',
>> 'FullKeepCnt' => '1',
>> 'TarShareName' => '1',
>> 'RsyncFullArgsExtra' => '1',
>> 'EMailNoBackupEverSubj' => '1',
>> 'TarClientRestoreCmd' => '0',
>> 'EMailNoBackupRecentSubj' => '1',
>> 'ArchivePar' => '1',
>> 'XferLogLevel' => '1',
>> 'RsyncSshArgs' => '1',
>> 'ArchiveDest' => '1',
>> 'RsyncdAuthRequired' => '1',
>> 'ClientTimeout' => '1',
>> 'EMailNotifyMinDays' => '1',
>> 'SmbClientRestoreCmd' => '0',
>> 'ClientNameAlias' => '1',
>> 'DumpPostShareCmd' => '0',
>> 'EMailOutlookBackupMesg' => '1',
>> 'BlackoutBadPingLimit' => '1',
>> 'BackupFilesExclude' => '1',
>> 'FullPeriod' => '1',
>> 'ArchivePostUserCmd' => '0',
>> 'IncrPeriod' => '1',
>> 'RsyncShareName' => '1',
>> 'FtpTimeout' => '1',
>> 'RestorePostUserCmd' => '0',
>> 'BlackoutGoodCnt' => '1',
>> 'ArchiveClientCmd' => '0',
>> 'ArchiveSplit' => '1',
>> 'FtpRestoreEnabled' => '1',
>> 'XferMethod' => '1',
>> 'NmbLookupCmd' => '0',
>> 'BackupsDisable' => '1',
>> 'SmbShareName' => '1',
>> 'FtpPasswd' => '1',
>> 'RestorePreUserCmd' => '0',
>> 'RsyncArgsExtra' => '1',
>> 'IncrKeepCntMin' => '1',
>> 'EMailNoBackupEverMesg' => '1',
>> 'EMailHeaders' => '1',
>> 'DumpPreUserCmd' => '0',
>> 'FillCycle' => '1',
>> 'RsyncClientPath' => '0',
>> 'DumpPostUserCmd' => '0'
>> };
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Bob of Donelson Trophy <
>> b...@donelsontrophy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the reply, David.
>>>
>>> I have thought about switching distro to CentOS. I have seen other
>>> mailing posts that mention the use of it and have some experience with
>>> CentOS. (Not that I am against Ubuntu or Debian, they are my primary
>>> distros . . . no offense, anyone.)
>>>
>>> I do not have a problem with untarring, etc. My main issue is where to
>>> place what. There is an "html-dir" directory that I am not sure where to
>>> put it (i.e. /usr/share/backuppc/html or somewhere in Apache2?) And so I
>>> cannot get the URL to allow access via the webpage (http://[ip
>>> address]/backuppc.)And then the permissions required for backuppc user to
>>> access the cgi-bin files?
>>>
>>> Could I see a copy (sanitized, if you like) of your configure.pl file?
>>> Where you chose to place various directories might help me figure out what
>>> I am doing wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> _______________________________
>>>
>>> Bob Wooden of Donelson Trophy
>>> 615.885.2846www.donelsontrophy.com
>>> "Everyone deserves an award!!"
>>>
>>> On 2015-07-24 17:18, David Cramblett wrote:
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> What kind of issue are you running in to? I installed about 6-9 months
>>> ago on CentOS 7. I didn't write down any instructions though - I'm terrible
>>> about that. I only ran into a couple of issues that I can recall:
>>>
>>> 1) Dependencies - A few were missing and I had manually install them. I
>>> think the BackupPC install script listed the dependencies, and whether I
>>> had them installed or not. I would just cancel the installer, add the
>>> missing dependencies, and then re-run the installer. A couple of libraries,
>>> I couldn't identify the package off the top of my head, but I was able to
>>> locate which package had the library from a quick Google search.
>>>
>>> 2) The installer did not have a good init script for the newest version
>>> of CentOS I was using. I found a couple tips on the list serve and then
>>> wrote my own init script to start BackupPC on system startup for CentOS.
>>> The main issue was the temp file system in /var/run/BackupPC was not being
>>> created properly, so BackupPC would not start or wouldn't stay running.
>>>
>>> If you can let me know what specific issue your having, I can try and
>>> give you a hand.
>>>
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Bob of Donelson Trophy <
>>> b...@donelsontrophy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know this is a very general request but, I have been trying to
>>>> install BackupPC4.0.0alpha3.tar,gz on Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS.
>>>>
>>>> It is not as simple as "Install essentials, install
>>>> BackupPC-XS-0.3.0.tar.gz, install rsync-bpc-3.0.9.3.tar.gz, install
>>>> BackupPC4.0.0alpha3.tar.gz., etc."
>>>>
>>>> I believe I have solved most of my dependencies issues.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any notes to better guide me than the information that
>>>> I cannot find on the net?
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________
>>>>
>>>> Bob Wooden of Donelson Trophy
>>>> 615.885.2846www.donelsontrophy.com
>>>> "Everyone deserves an award!!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Cramblett
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Cramblett
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> David Cramblett
>
>
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