On Tuesday 17 July 2007 12:39, Arno Lehmann wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 17.07.2007 12:23,, Kern Sibbald wrote::
> > On Tuesday 17 July 2007 11:00, Arno Lehmann wrote:
> ...
> >> The argument that the code would probable never be complete is, excuse 
> >> me, nonsense. I know no big software project that claims that its code 
> >> is complete in the sense that it will not be necessary to further 
> >> develop it. 
> > 
> > My wording was probably not very clear. This user was saying he did not 
want 
> > to donate for a particular coding project (feature) because he had no 
> > assurance that that particular project would be completed and he did not 
know 
> > how much it really cost or how the money was used -- i.e. he has no 
> > confidence in the integrity of the developers.
> 
> Ok, that's quite different to what I understood.
> 
> I must admit that I can understand the user much better, now.
> 
> > If that is how users feel, even a tiny minority, then I prefer to let them 
> > contract with a company if they want to fund a particular feature.
> 
> Obviously, in this case a company would have been the right business 
> partner.
> 
> > Once a company is formed, I expect that the nature of things are that 
there 
> > will be far fewer contributions of code -- that is how human nature seems 
to 
> > work (according to everything I have read on the subject). So I am 
counting 
> > on the company and myself to pickup where the project leaves off.
> 
> That might be. But I expect that some of the developers today might 
> work for that company from time to tme, and thus would be better 
> rewarded for similar effort. Again a win-win-situation :-)

Yes, I see it as a win all around, except for the big commercial backup 
software vendors, but then what I hear is that their users are quite unhappy 
about their fees and their fee structures.  Often the vendors are rather 
arogant believing that the customer is locked into their solution -- we'll 
see.  I remember this from the 1980's -- it was the same argument that the 
big CAD companies raised against Autodesk (and AutoCAD).  

> 
> ...
> > A lot of people will still be getting the software and the binaries for 
free.  
> > They may or may not want to donate -- the Bacula project and the Bacula 
> > company are quite separate.
> 
> Which some people will not easily understand.

Yes, it is a bit different from other projects where the project has absolute 
control over the software.  This is a much more Open Source approach -- and I 
hope it succeeds.  In certain respects, it is how service companies like IBM 
are approaching and embrasing Open Source.

> 
> >  I had hoped that donations might be important, 
> > but I was wrong. After the company is created, I expect they will be even 
> > fewer and farther between.
> > 
> > If all goes well with the company, hopefully, it will fund a lot of things 
> > that the project cannot fund.
> 
> Well, then let's hope the company goes well!

Thanks.

> 
> Arno
> 
> 
> -- 
> Arno Lehmann
> IT-Service Lehmann
> www.its-lehmann.de
> 
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