David Boyes wrote: > On 4/28/09 5:09 PM, "Dan Langille" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> David Boyes wrote: >> >>> On 4/28/09 1:13 PM, "Zak Greant (Bacula)" >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Greetings Folks, >>> >>> My name is Zak Greant. I've been helping the Bacula Systems folks out >>> for the last month or so, mostly with a focus on community support and >>> Free Software/Open Source strategy and relations. >>> [snip] >>> Also, if this is a Bacula Systems thing, then they should be funding, >>> staffing and/or supporting it. >>> >> David: was there something in particular which made you think the >> Twitter account was a Bacula Systems thing? >> > > In the first few paragraphs of his note, he says that he has been advising > the Bacula Systems people on community support et al. Since this is the > first time I've seen this discussed in any public form, it's pretty hard not > to come to the conclusion that this is part of an advice package provided to > Bacula Systems, and thus originates from them. He also said that he had been > updating this thing on their behalf for several months. > > To be honest, I no longer can tell who is doing what for whom in this > project. The boundaries are very unclear, and I've already made my > objections to the current state of affairs known beforehand and am > supporting the decision that was made within the scope of what we can do > without a conflict of interest. > > I second that - as soon as "the foundation" started getting discussed I groaned and started listening with one ear, hoping for the best since I already have a considerable time investment in my bacula setup. This thread is the first I have heard of "bacula systems" since I have been deliberately tuning out non-technical threads. I am on numerous mailing lists and no other software project has the amount of discussion about 3rd party organizations and image, and marketing and so on that this list does. The fact is, if something is technically solid people will use it and help out, but if the information is spread around all sorts of different places it just gets diluted and impossible to find.
eg: downloaded and installed the latest windows fd package recently (3.x) assumed (wrongly) since it was the only one posted that it was backwards compatible with the 2.x stuff I have on the rest of the network which is current in debian/ubuntu, never did get it working together, found and downloaded an older windows fd and it was fine. Now I am just as much at fault for not posting my experience someplace, but if a volunteer has time to spend, assembling that sort of stuff together with notes as to what works with what right on the download page would be a far better use of time than posting stuff no one is ever going to read. Fixing this mailing list too so when you hit reply it goes to the list like every other mailing list does would be welcome as well. When people reply to me, one copy is sufficient I don't need a personal one and a copy to the list showing up a couple seconds apart from different senders. >>> As you comment, this mailing list isn¹t a forum for promoting >>> commercial ventures, and I would argue that if @bacula is to represent >>> the project, not the commercial company, then anything commercial >>> should be clearly separated and identifiable as such. >>> >> I would think the @bacula should be governed by existing policies that >> cover the mailing lists. No new policy needs to be created. >> > > He asked if possible commercial announcements could be made. I think not. If > the @bacula Twitter id is to represent the Project, then it should not > advocate any commercial entity. Making commercial announcements under the > imprimatur of the Project using Twitter is just that, advocating a > commercial entity. > > Going back to the Twitter thing, if you're just going to post a URL, what > advantage does doing it through Twitter give you? I still fail to see the > point -- it doesn't enhance the project much over just sticking the > information on the mailing list, it requires additional software for some > platforms, and it subjects you to yet another source of advertising -- all > in the name of being "hip". Backups aren't hip. Backups are *supposed* to be > boring, dull and invisible -- until they're needed. Getting someone to do > Twitter is at best a marketing "ooh -- do the new cool thing of the moment" > move rather than any significant improvement in how the project is run or > supported. If we have volunteer cycles, let's use them to provide packages > on more non-Intel platforms or do more frequent documentation updates, or > something that actually improves the product. Doing Twitter seems to be > marginal benefit at best. > > -- db > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Register Now & Save for Velocity, the Web Performance & Operations > Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of > expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry > leaders in dedicated Performance & Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf > and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf > _______________________________________________ > Bacula-devel mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Register Now & Save for Velocity, the Web Performance & Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance & Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _______________________________________________ Bacula-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-devel
