On 21 Feb 2006 at 12:43, Brad Barnett wrote: > On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:22:18 -0500 > "Dan Langille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 21 Feb 2006 at 10:49, Brad Barnett wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:30:31 -0500 > > > "Dan Langille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Actually, your goals are clearly labelled in several places. One only > > > needs to look at what methodology BSD advocates favour in order to > > > gather more uses. That is, the conversion of Linux users. > > > > > > eg: > > > > > > "To some of you this may be a surprise, but Linux users aren't evil. > > > They are the largest source of potential FreeBSD users." > > > > > > Sure, I understand how BSD users find this easier than cold-calls on > > > Windows users. It is easier to get a Unix style user to switch from > > > one type of Unix style OS to another. > > > > It's a shame you quoted it so out of context. For example, the next > > two sentences are "We have more in common than we have in > > differences. It is unfortunate that the immature amongst both groups > > prefer to concentrate on silly and irrelevant arguements instead of > > fostering a spirit of mutual respect." > > > > For those wondering: http://www.freebsddiary.org/oclug.php > > Yes, this is where you counter and saying I'm not respecting the > > list/group/etc. > > > > > Again, I have no problem with BSD. I do have a problem with BSD users > > > trolling in Linux groups, promotional events, conferences and that > > > like. The goal here is to syphon off as many Linux users as possible, > > > and convert them to an "enlightened" BSD state. > > > > > > This only serves fragmentation, reduces Linux's user base which needs > > > to be large enough to reach flash point, and is literally in direct > > > opposition to OCLUG's goals. > > > > I'm impressed that you've discovered my plan, which until recently, > > was a closed guarded secret, shared only amongst a few trusted > > members of the cabel. > > > > Brad: There is no doubt that I've been a long time supporter of OCLUG > > and have made many significant and postive contributions to the group > > and its goals. If you think otherwise, I'm sorry you're so blinded > > by one aspect of my work. I don't think I need to defend my record to > > you. I will be at the next meeting, and if anyone wishes to > > challenge my record then, I'll be happy to speak to it. > > > > Sure, you've definitely worked towards strengthening OCLUG. However, > you see OCLUG differently than others. That doesn't make you evil, but > it does mean that at times OCLUG's viewpoint may not be consistent with > yours.
I think everyone sees OCLUG different from everybody else. I wouldn't expect everyone to see it the same way. I also wouldn't expect OCLUG's viewpoint to be consistent with everybody's viewpoint at all times. That's asking a lot of everyone. Everyone has their own views. > Obviously, you see the open source movement, and its many pieces of > software that run on many oses, as a very good thing. In that > respect, any strength and assistance you give to OCLUG matches your own > goals of promoting open source software. A goal which OCLUG also > supports. Great. Common ground. > However, you also would prefer that people run BSD kernels and > userland tools, over Linux. In this way, your goals are contradictory > with OCLUG's goals for Linux. Several places in the past, I have > stated that I have no problems with BSD or BSD users, but with BSD > advocacy and its goal to convert Linux users to BSD. You know me not. I'm am advocate of using the best tool for the job. It's pretty clear that this is subjective and personal. There is no one best solution that meets all needs. I have stated that many times, both in my websites, my talks, and my conversations. I don't care what people run. They're welcome to run whatever they want. I'm not of the view that there is only one solution. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=103432&bid=230486&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
