In the message dated: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:50:12 +0200,
The pithy ruminations from Arno Lehmann on 
<Re: [Bacula-users] will recycled volumes change pools?> were:
=> Hello,
=> 
=> On 8/29/2006 9:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
=> > In anticipation of the holiday weekend (US & Canadian Labo[u]r Day) coming 
up, 
=> > I've got a question about how Bacula will handle recycled volumes.
=> > 
=> > Our configuration has two pools: Full and Incremental. As it happens, most 
of
=> > our tapes are currently in the "Incremental" pool[1]. If Bacula needs more
=> > volumes for the Full pool, and the autochanger is loaded with volumes from 
the
=> > Incremental pool that are past their retention period (they are eligible 
for
=> > purging and recycling), will Bacula automatically recycle those 
"Incremental"
=> > volumes into the "Full" pool?
=> 
=> No. But read on...

Oh, fooey.

I suppose that the logic is that, even though the db records for a volume have 
been purged, the volume could still be bscan'ed in order to retrieve the data.

I was hoping that purged volumes would be implicitly treated as if they were 
part of the Scratch pool (I do have one), and would be eligible for any other 
pool.
 
=> 
=> > 
=> > Thanks,
=> > 
=> > Mark
=> > 
=> > 
=> > 
=> > [1] incremental and differential backups are run nightly, writing to the 
=> > "Incremental" pool. Full backups are done monthly. This configuration is 
less 
=> > than a month old, so most clients haven't done a full backup to the "Full" 
pool 
=> > yet. However, when they each did their first incremental, Bacula noted 
that 
=> > there was no preceeding full backup, and ran a full backup, writing to 
tapes in 
=> > the "Incremental" pool.
=> 
=> It's too late now now to change this, but with a setup like this it's 
=> better to run inital backups manually...

Yes, I see that now.

=> 
=> A Scratch pool should manage what you need(ed)...

I've got one...I started with all new volumes in the Scratch pool...they were 
promptly assigned to the Incremental pool and used for the inital Full backups.

Now that the beginning of the month is approaching, I was hoping to recycle 
some of the expired Incremental tapes into the Full pool.

=> 
=> > Thus, there are many more tape volumes in the 
=> > "Incremental" pool. This will change quickly, as those volumes expire
=> > ....assuming that Bacula is smart enough to determine that a client has a 
full 
=> > backup in the Full pool, and uses that as the baseline for future 
incremental 
=> > backups written to a different pool.  
=> 
=> Bacula is smart enough to track job data on different pools. The typical 
=> setups I create all use a Full pool and one or more pools for 
=> differential and incremental backups.

Yep, that's what I'm doing here.

=> 
=> > Please let me know if my understanding is incorrect, and if Incremental 
and 
=> > Differential backups can only be made against a Full that's stored in the 
same 
=> > pool (in which case, I need to radically change my volume retention).
=> 
=> No need for that - I'd even say that one of the main reasons for pools 
=> with different retention times is the ability to recycle incremental / 
=> differential job volumes sooner than full backup volumes.
=> 

Understood. Instead of changing retention settings, now I'll go and "purge" and
then "delete" about 40~50 volumes from the database, load each tape outside of
bacula's control, overwrite the beginning of each tape from /dev/zero, and then
enter the tape into the Scratch pool. Yuck.

This wouldn't be a problem if I had more blank media, or if purged volumes 
could 
be assigned to any pool (I see yet another config file setting... "Purged are 
Fungible = 
Yes").

Thanks for the prompt answer,

Mark

=> Arno
=> 
=> > 
=> > ----
=> > Mark Bergman                      [EMAIL PROTECTED]
=> > System Administrator
=> > Section of Biomedical Image Analysis             215-662-7310
=> > Department of Radiology,           University of Pennsylvania
=> > 
=> > 
http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?search=mark.bergman%40.uphs.upenn.edu



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