Hello, Thanks for the input. I've taken everything you wrote into consideration and taken a look at fwbuilder as well.
Regards, Kern On Monday 02 October 2006 21:58, Julián Hernández Gómez wrote: > Hi Kern! > > I'm +1 on the choose of QT as the primary framework for developing the > bacula GUI. But I strongly suggest to use QT4 (4.2) from the beginning > and save everybody from the pain of a later migration. > > I also recommends you reconsider the PyQT option, because it's a > really good option and has a lot of documentation: > > First I recommend you reading the excellent overview of PyQt4 that was > presented at EuroPython 2006 [0], then look at all the info found in > the PyQT wiki [1] including a reference to a lot of nice tutorials, > including Boudewijn Rempt's book "GUI Programming with Python: Qt > Edition" available online in the PyQT homepage [2]. Also I think that > the way to go with PyQT is to read the Qt Documentation (including the > Qt Designer Manual) and then read the PyQT reference guide [3] (the > examples shown in this guide often refers to the QT Documentation "for > a full description"). > > In case you still want to not use PyQT :-) I'd suggest the revision of > the source code of fwbuilder [4]. Fwbuilder is an excellent GUI > program (GPL) made in C++, QT3 and uses QT Designer. Maybe it's a > good starting point for developing the Bacula GUI. > > > [0] http://indico.cern.ch/contributionDisplay.py?contribId=33&sessionId=41&confId=44 > [1]http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyQt > [2] http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pyqt/ > [3] http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/Docs/PyQt4/pyqt4ref.html > [4] http://www.fwbuilder.org/ > > > On 10/2/06, Kern Sibbald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Saturday 30 September 2006 17:28, Jo wrote: > > > Kern Sibbald schreef: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > As I previously wrote, working on a GUI solution is now one of my top > > > > priorities. We have discussed the problems and possible solutions for > > > > getting a good GUI interface for Bacula a number of times. I've thought > > about > > > > all the possibilities, and there are a lot of them. Previously, I had > > been > > > > leaning more towards a Python Qt interface, because Python is a nice > > language > > > > and easy to program. Unfortunately, I haven't found any really good IDE > > > > (integrated development environment) for it, nor have I found any good > > > > documentation on the Python Qt interface. So I have abandoned this idea. > > > > > > > > Another idea that I have abandoned is developing a web application. There > > are > > > > two reasons: 1. I find no user interface design tools for web based > > > > applications. 2. web applications are very problematic for security > > minded > > > > people such as myself. I run a web server, but there is no way in the > > world > > > > that I would run a Bacula web application on my web server. In the past, > > I > > > > have gotten around this by having a second LAN only server, but I don't > > > > really like this. In addition with technology such as FreeNX, I believe > > that > > > > there is no disadvantage to writing desktop GUI applications -- they can > > now > > > > be executed from anywhere much like a web application can. > > > > > > > > One can certainly argue with the above points, but that is pretty much > > useless > > > > because what I am writing is not to convince you about my views but to > > give > > > > you a little bit of the reasoning behind the direction I am taking. > > > > > > > > So that is the brief background. There is obviously much more to it all, > > but > > > > I'd like to get to the point, which is that I am now starting a new core > > code > > > > project for Bacula to initially create a console GUI (combination of > > > > bconsole, gconsole, wx-console, and all the others). As a second step, it > > > > will evolve (or start a separate program) to including manangement job > > > > summary information such as bacula-web and similar programs. > > > > > > > > To do the project, I intend to use Kdevelop as the IDE, designer as the > > GUI > > > > design tool (integrated into Kdevelop), C++, and Qt3 (later Qt4). I would > > > > also like it to use cmake, but expect that in the beginning it will use > > > > qmake. > > > > > > > > All this is a bit too much for me at one time, because all the pieces > > > > (Kdevelop, designer, Qt3, qmake or cmake) are all new to me, so I really > > > > would like to get some help from any of you who are experienced in these > > > > tools or who just want to help. > > > > > > > > A few notes about the project: > > > > - as mentioned above, it will be based on C++ and Qt > > > > - it will use Kdevelop, designer and qmake or cmake > > > > - it will be part of the base Bacula code, and hence in the bacula source > > > > tree. > > > > - it will replace, gconsole and wx-console (i.e. they are depreciated) > > > > - it will be copyrighted by the Bacula project (for the moment me -- more > > on > > > > that in my status #2 concerning the future of the Bacula project). > > > > - it will serve as a test bed for defining a Bacula GUI API > > > > - it will be highly integrated with the Director, but nevertheless a > > separate > > > > program. > > > > - if I can get some help starting the project, I can imagine that we could > > get > > > > something quite functional with at least the capabilities of gconsole > > (and > > > > maybe wx-console) by the end of the year. If I have to do it alone, it > > will > > > > probably be mid-2007 before it becomes functional. > > > > > > > Did you consider wx-python. There is Boa-constructor as the IDE, but > > > apparently you lean very much towards QT. I'm mostly sad because you > > > move away from Python, since I don't know any C++. OTOH I don't have > > > time to pitch in, so I don't really have too much to say about it. > > > I do hope you will find somebody who feels like helping. A GUI for > > > Bacula is long overdue. > > > > wxWidgets is too slow, clunky, not very pretty, and has no GUI interface > > builder. Qt is the opposite of those. I wanted to use Qt Python, but there > > is not a single book written on it, so I'm going with straight C++, which > > simplifies my life somewhat. > > > > The more I see of Qt designer (did the first exercise in the tutorial this > > morning), the more I am impressed. 100 x better than glade. There is a lot > > to learn, but at least you can group items after you insert them. glade > > requires you to put either a horizontal or vertical container before you > > begin inserting widgets, which is not at all intuitive for guys like me who > > design bottom up rather than top down. > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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