On Tuesday 01 December 2009 17:25:04 Robert Hartzell wrote: > Ryan Novosielski wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Robert Hartzell wrote: > >> Kern Sibbald wrote: > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> <serious-flame> > >>> > >>> I very seldom complain publicly about vendors such as Sun Microsystems, > >>> so this is a bit unusual. Just to note, in 1983, Sun was the first > >>> Unix system that I had ever used, and I continuously used it until > >>> about 1998, when I switched to Linux. Their OS was quite stable and > >>> worked with a lot of high end equipment. I enjoyed working with it, > >>> but found that Linux OS was very nice and worked with much cheaper and > >>> more available hardware (the reason for my switch to Linux). > >>> > >>> Recently I tried loading OpenSolaris in a VM, and I discovered that > >>> they somehow have remained frozen in time in 1998 and had not > >>> significantly improved their user interface -- a big disappointment for > >>> me. I ended up with a default system that had a Java user interface > >>> and a /home/kern that was read-only (can you imagine that by default > >>> your home directory is read-only?). I finally gave up. > >> > >> What do you mean by "Java user interface"? Opensolaris is currently > >> using Gnome Desktop version 2.28.0 > > > > I'm not sure what OpenSolaris version is in use these days or how much > > different it is from Solaris 10, but Solaris 10 is using something they > > they call Java Desktop, but I believe it is a skinned GNOME as well. The > > interface may look the same as 1998 (some would call that a selling > > point -- I'm personally indifferent), but it's current stuff. > > I think the stable release is 2009.06 (build 111) and the dev builds are > released roughly every two weeks (currenly build 127). > It's trivial to image-update to the latest snapshot... and if something > goes wrong just a reboot to get back to a stable release. > > >> Are you using the automounter to mount /export/home/kern to /home/kern? > >> if autofs is turned on (default) you can't write to /home because thats > >> where the user directories are mounted > > > > Ah! I was confused about this one myself. Solaris doesn't use /home/kern > > anyhow, it would tend to use /export/home/kern. When that's the > > convention, you just go with it, and you tend not to run into these > > problems. > > > >>> I would have been happy to leave things there, but Sun has not stopped > >>> making my life difficult. First they bought MySQL, which is heavily > >>> used by Bacula users. Their latest source prerelease for Solaris, > >>> which two of our regression testers were using was simply broken and > >>> did not work. Great, Sun buys MySQL and breaks it! I can understand > >>> why the MySQL developers are leaving and MariaDB was created -- what a > >>> pity. > >> > >> This was due to a compiler bug: > >> http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=49091 > >> a simple fix is to use mysql5 instead of the default mysql51 > >> "pkg install SUNWmysql5" > > > > Thanks for the information -- this made me a little nervous, but I > > figured that it wasn't really the way it sounded. I don't even think Sun > > is that intimately involved in MySQL at this point, are they? At least > > not non-MySQL Sun people. > > > >>> For the last several users I have been using VirtualBox. It has worked > >>> perfectly. Recently, my RHEL 64 when applying upgrades upgraded from > >>> RHEL 5.3 to 5.4, then shortly later, the VM hard disk image destroyed > >>> itself. The first time in 2 or 3 years that I had any problem. OK, > >>> that kind of thing can happen. > > > > What is "destroyed itself?" > > > >>> So, I upgraded from VirtualBox version 2.2 to version 3.1 on my Xeon > >>> machine. In doing so, the new Virtual box has destroyed *all* the VM > >>> images that I had (8-10). I don't know if you have ever setup and > >>> configured a VM, but it is not a trivial amount of work. > > > > Very peculiar. I upgraded from 2.2 to 2.4 to 3.0 (no 3.1 yet) and I have > > not had any problems. I suppose I might want to back up my VM's though.
I went from 2.2 directly to 3.1; it was apparently that which made *all* my VMs incompatible. I completely reinstalled 3.1 and reloaded new isos, and so far it seems to be running, but what a pain. > > I have a system set up as a VBoxHeadless server and have upgraded many > times without issue. I have my .VirtualBox directory setup on its own > zfs file system so i can do a snapshot before the upgrade. If the > upgrade goes bad just do a zfs rollback. > > >>> As far as I am concerned Sun OpenSource software venture stinks. I > >>> think with all the noise about Oracle buying them, and their blunders > >>> in implementation of OpenSolaris, MySQL, and VirtualBox, they have > >>> little chance of surviving in the Open Source software market. Perhaps > >>> their high-end hardware offerings will fare better. > > > > They have a lot of faults (I would say the documentation that never > > quite seems to relate to what I'm actually doing, the fact that you can > > call tech support and get nine different answers, the fact that if the > > question is hard, they may just not get back to you, etc...), but I > > haven't run into any of these and continue to rate my experience with > > them as largely positive. > > Opensolaris documentation lags behind thats for sure but then again > isn't that true for most software... I've never delt with Sun tech > support or for that matter any other vendors tech support. Online forums > always have worked for me. > > Since I installed Opensolaris I've been very pleased and have never > looked back. Good luck. Kern ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev _______________________________________________ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
