On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:57:47 -0600, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "What > I'm saying is that it is possible to come up with a third (perhaps > even one of the first two) concept of "prophet. And when we apply it > to both belief systems, you get the above result." > > Dear Gilberto, > > Are we looking at what Christianity and Islam actually teach at that point > or how we want to recreate them?
At what they actually teach (recognizing that there will be variety) > > "> While > > there might well be 'prophets' within the church they could not add > anything > > to scripture. > > You are really being silly here. The New Testament church created the > scripture after Jesus." > > Did I say anything about Jesus? > That's a part of what I've been saying all along. Muslims and their attitudes about revelation after Muhammad. Christians and their attitudes about revelation after Jesus. Gilberto: > "I think "added to scripture" is a kind of red herring. Whether there > is new revelation or not the Bible is a relatively fixed book. Neither > Bahais or Muslims change the Bible to add more stuff to it. The New > revelations are seperate." Susan: > On the contrary, calling the Bible and the Qur'an separate revelations is a > red herring. The Bible is the collection of *all* those scriptures which > Christians regard as valid for the community of faith as a whole. Any text > which is not contained in the Bible is not recognized as scripture by > definition. > Gilberto: That's not exactly true. In the Catholic case, the Pope can certainly come up with binding authoritative infallible statements outside the Bible. But on top of that one interesting issue is that the Bible itself has alot of tiny references to other texts which aren't contained between its pages. Check out http://www.bible.ca/b-canon-books-mentioned-bible.htm or other similar sites So the Bible mentions books which are presumably inspired here. "Now the acts of King David, from first to last, are written in the chronicles of Samuel the seer, in the chronicles of Nathan the prophet and in the chronicles of Gad the seer" 1 Chronicles 29:29 "Then Samuel told the people the ordinances of the kingdom, and wrote them in the book and placed it before the Lord." 1 Samuel 10:25 "Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, from first to last, are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer concerning Jeroboam the son of Nebat?" 2 Chronicles 9:29 "Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, from first to last, are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer concerning Jeroboam the son of Nebat?" 2 Chronicles 9:29 "Now the rest of the acts of Abijah, and his ways and his words are written in the treatise of the prophet Iddo." 2 Chronicles 13:22 So since the Bible is pointing to and refering the reader to these other places they were presumably validly from God. > "Yes, having 4 or 5 different conversations with people on the same > subject and nearly 3 in the morning sometimes put strains on my powers > of concentration. Luckily you are smart enough to know what I had in > mind." > > Actually I wasn't sure whether you misunderstood Mark or simply misspoke. > Yeah, mis-typed. __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[email protected] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[email protected] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
