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In a message dated 1/24/2005 8:53:18 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: History After Charles Mason Remey's proclamation in 1960 that he was the second Guardian of the Baha'i Faith, his followers became known as the Orthodox Bah�'� Faith. Among those who accepted Remey's proclamation, several further divisions have occurred. Some of these are described below:   You are actually missing several factions before these. They did not prosper either. Mason Remey pulled away how many Baha`i's of the time? probably less than 200. Further Divisions The Baha'is Under the Provisions of the Covenant operated under the guidance of Leland Jensen. Jensen's beliefs seem linked to an argument about the succession of the House of David, and prophecies found in the Great Pyramid of Egypt. For the groups homepage see: www.montana.com/bupc. As of 2004, the BUPC appears to consist of two small communities, one in Montana and one in Alaska. This is a splinter of the Remey faction. One cannot say a faction has prospered if it breaks into smaller less tiny factions over time. Jensen is the result of one of the senescent Remey's appointments as Guardian. It too has gotten smaller over time. That is not a quality of prosperity.   The House of Mankind and the Universal Palace of Order followed Jamshid Ma'ani and John Carr�, but appear now to be defunct. A copy of Carr�'s book outlining his belief that all the disputes regarding the Guardianship were wrong and that a new prophet would arise in America in 2001 can be found at the following site run by an ex-Baha'i. www.bahai-faith.com As you point out itis defunct. Defunct is not a quality of prosperity.   The Orthodox Bahai Faith Under the Regency was founded by Rex King. King argued that Mason Remey was not a full-fledged Guardian because, according to the traditional interpretation of Baha'i law, only a hereditary descendant of Baha'u'llah can hold this office. Nevertheless, due to Remey's appointment as President of the International Baha'i Council, King understood Remey's position as that of a "Regent" who should have been obeyed as the legitimate leader of the Baha'is but who should never have gone so far as to claim the Guardianship. King's followers have reorganized as the Tarbiyat Baha'i Community (www.obcnhj.org). Again a tiny splinter from the Remey dead branch, this does not constitute prosperity either.   The Regency Baha'is appear to be restricted to a single community in Las Vegas, New Mexico. I know of them. Again single communities of a small number does not constitute prosperity.   The Charles Mason Remey Society followed Donald Harvey as the third Guardian and then Jacques Soghomonian of France. Discussion of these groups can be found at a reconciliation site: groups.yahoo.com/group/HeartoftheBahaiFaith I doubt he has fifty active followers around the world. How is this prosperity? Is it not just another splinter from the Remey dead branch?   A position paper describing the historical development of these groups as seen from the perspective of the main Baha'i organization can be found at bahai-library.org/uhj/c-breakers.and.remey.html   I am quite aware of the current history of covenant breakers. There are more whom you have missed, present and past. None of these have prospered. There are moree than six million Baha`i's around the world, 99.99% follow the Baha`i Faith and recognize the authority of the House.   Would you like an outline of the history of covenant breakers you have missed? Peace Gilberto "My people are hydroponic" __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu