On 5/10/06, Richard H. Gravelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear gilberto,
I am simply following your arguments and asking questions. I ask the same
questions of scientific persons. I want to know from where or how you think
any of what is "instrinsic" originates. It must have a source. I want to
investigate the source of that source.
Richard.
Ok, then I would point to the fact that there is a lot of overlap in
the moral guidelines endorsed by many different religions or
non-religious ethical philosophies. Some people worship on Sunday
morning, or Friday afternoon, or Saturday. They fast on different
days. The believe in different prophets and messengers. Celebrate
different holy days. Pray in different directions. But they agree that
people shouldn't lie cheat and steal. That suggests something is
actually wrong with lying cheating and stealing.
I don't know what is so contraversial.
-Gilberto
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From: "Gilberto Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Baha'i Studies" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: question about Islam
Again, I'm not sure what your goal is in responding. I've been feeling
like we should be able to agree, or at least agree to disagree but for
some reason it seems like you are pushing towards something else.
On 5/10/06, Richard H. Gravelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gilberto,
> What I would say is
> that humans have *some* capacity for moral reasoning.
> Richard
> What ever capacities man may have have been created by God for His
purposes.
Gilberto:
Ok. So why do you seem so hesitant and reluctant towards recognizing
the validity is this capacity?
Richard:
Why, if God has given man no guidance to
> man on an issue, should man seek to investigate it?
Gilberto:
I don't think you can help it. As human beings in the world, we are
always confronted with different decisions. Not everything is neatly
covered by simple legal rules. There are times when we have to make
difficult decisions and it is not certain which way to go.
> Gilberto
> So that just
> means, that to some degree acts are intrinsically moral or immoral,
> and we have some capacity to make that determination apart from
> revelation.
> Richard.
> How is it that these "acts" have been invested with "intrinsic" value?
> Would you say that "they just are"? No power created them? Would you
posit
> that these "intrinsic values" exist independent of and cannot be abrogated
> by God?
I would go back to the original example. Even before Bahaullah freed
his slaves and banned slavery, morally sensitive people were already
thinking that there is something wrong with slavery. That suggests
something immoral in the institution, at least as it was practiced at
that period in time, which other people could recognize.
-G
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