ian,
score... more common ground maybe from me hearing u better.
"logically" they are not cotradicting eadxch other.
"logically" they are the same statement.
what >i< get out of derrida et al is the sense of
"see?" the intended signal is based on not logic or nature,
but on value assigned to words like "2,000,000 years" or "original"--
neoithert term being an artifact of "natural law" but of cultural construct.
a construct --as derrida notes in grammatology utterly not point-for point
related to nature, but related to nature by what i would term a "follow the
numbers" plotting woith the shape controlled by the ordination of the points.
let us suppose...hmmmmm....5 points, each 72ish degrees apart on the
perimeter of a circle. i can conect them to formn a pentagon--or a pentacle.
orrr...(and imho this is why Baha'u'llah is fond opf pythagoras, socrates et
al)
i can observed a pentacle or pentagram and thence steadfastly deny any
"authority"
or "innateness" to either, and visualise instead the circle...and, hopefullly,
undertstand intutively, inherently, that the circle it self is an artifact of a
determined distance from a Point.
thus, :"the Black man
is saying that humanity originated with African Blacks and the Klansman is
saying that the Blacks have been overtaken by the Whites. " orrrr, they are
arguing over the definition of "primacy" and both using reflexive argument to
maintain self-reflexive world views. and in my wrold, both need the opportunity
to have reproduction of meme taken from them by whatever means necessary. which
i recognise as another kind of terrorism, my own.
here: :"Also, it is an example of what Lyotard
(another postmodernist) called "terrorism", i.e. the assertion of privileged
position - so it is not really a statement of 'fact' at all but rather an
attempt to intimidate, i.e. a completely different use of language than at
first appears. " i see harmony with my own worldview. ghibran has a poem with a
line something like "we can give children our love..but not our thoughts."
:"Unqualified relativism, of course, must hold all opinions as
equally valid, but the Writings clearly do not agree with this. "
to this i offer a yes/no.
i offer that the T&G is to my ears signifying that all phenomenon in nature
appear, evolve, perfect, extinct. i hear the T&G saying that unworkable ideas,
sucxh as what the beloved Guardian calls a false god, racism, is a
terroristically maintained artifact of Moses Suggesting (Validly, by
definition) that beyond point x, the lazwe of atraction was to be
disobeyed...to be concrete, sheep et al are not validly chosen life partners.)
from this, and many similar and perhaps equally distateful examples i get that
the >>valid choice<<< is available, but the Truth Isn't. the Triuth can be
appraoched by action, reflection, change,action, reflection, change.
:"Unqualified relativism" is perhaps an oxymoron...:-) :-) and therfore outside
the scope of concrete discussion. i >think< we agree that personas manifesting
solution suceed or fail in part becuase of how relativistic their solution
is..and at some point "it works for me" is actually a self-denial.
:"In the Writings, the kind of
"differentiation" you refer to doesn't (IMO) refer to differences per se but
to clashes and conflicts which we are to avoid. "
hmmm...yes/no again. to my ears it is a distinction per se, and about what we
>>>do<< about them. the set of "what we do" includes "not clash". it also to my
ears says don';t do anything the name for which would include "hier" as in
hierarchy or hierophant, or by my neologising, hier education.
i dunno howe many ruhi facilitators i know who changed their "correct" answer
to one or another question, after finallly seeing themselves as collabortators,
not instructors. i just know the odds on finding them go up about at the same
rate as i see cluster growth.
to get this stuff back to who matters, the treasure of the community,
:"Those who hold an opinion may well think it is true - but that doesn't mean
it actually is."
right. but do they get to test it, try, essay, judge it rhu their own eyes, or
thru the eyes of others? or, do they get to have pentagons and pentacles
imposed on their opportunity to see The Point?
my ongoing thanx for this conversation.
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