The Baha'i Studies Listserv to some degree. i am not near so generous. snce lyris is telling me my previous reply did not post, i offer it again. if the daemons of the machines do find it, forgive the extra bandwidth.
eloaborate??? rotfl... oy. i am in the midst of assembling a rather scathing attack--hopefully for publication-- on "intelligent design" as bandied about n th usa. and i would offer that if u went to http://www.dobahaisthink.com/1033/apes-soul/ you could find links to a 340+ post discussion of >>part<< of the issue. and i further encourage anyone here to use that site's search feature anytime they are curious as to any possible conversations had on about any topic. that project is now in beta. they may be useful for teaching. they are definitely useful, based on the alpha testing, for impriving the odds on uninformed seekers being more able to find signal than the noise put out by random wannabis, "unenrolled" ..etcetcetc. but i digress...no, i don;t :-) >>>darwin<<< for %*%*sakes stated that "Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first >>>breathed<<<." (emphasis, lol, mine) so, "classical darwinism" states that all plants, animals, etc have the same ancestor. in he past 20whatever years, it has been noted rather emphatically that this "ancestor" is still around in form like http://www.experienceholidays.co.uk/dynamicdata/data/Australia/Western%20Australia/Hamelin%27s%20Pool%20Stromatolites%20Western%20Australia.jpg or http://images.travelpod.com/users/steph_nico/3.1246525603.me-stromatolites.jpg (the one in white here is a different life form) in more "neo-darwinism" terms, >>dna itself<< is the "evolving form". >materialist< "neodarwinism" asserts, factually, that random laws of >probabiity and the laws of electro-magnetic parity, etc sufficiently account >for the presence of stromatolites, michael jackson, and ivory towers. thus clearly, (th way i am running it), within the most materialistic construct, an order of laws "logos" is the common ancestor, "father", combining with matieral on which to operate, "mother"... and gee, now we have invented the pre-Adamic cycle's theology, as well as "modern neo-paganism" and materialistic "science". to work a serpentine path, one may note that the Master speaks of each kingdom having its own life and properties....something the wannabe modernists tend to reject about minerals. however, note that what "science actually says" conforms closely here to the Master: http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/428/lifes-working-definition the Master (in my irrelevant interpretation) ponits directly to to commonality og ancestor when noting that it was well known that each human attempted to recreate successfully the voyage from oceanic one-celled-->gilled-->tailed etc., as evidence of evolution, and elsewhere defines "human behaviour" as the discovery of underlying characterisitics, etc. --not the possession of a hairless and ineffective bipedalism. and the Blessed Beauty Speaks of "The world of existence came into being through the heat generated from the interaction between the active force and that which is its recipient. These two are the same, yet they are different. Thus doth the Great Announcement inform thee about this glorious structure." thus, the above is flaoting on relatively solid ice both as material science and from the Faith's Texts. for more on "junk" and commanality, u may wish to read: http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/project/info.shtml or just start googling, lest u take my word for anything. taxonomy: linnaues, and others before and after, gathered groups of organisms onto a tree of life based on >>shape<< rather than function. thus, linaues notes: "But I seek from you and from the whole world a generic difference between man and simian that [follows] from the principles of Natural History. I absolutely know of none. If only someone might tell me a single one! If I would have called man a simian or vice versa, I would have brought together all the theologians against me. Perhaps I ought to have by virtue of the law of the discipline." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape#History_of_hominoid_taxonomy which will aslo clue as to the "camp" of evolution noting chemical properties and actions as the correct taxonomy for drawing the tree of life. foxp2.... the operation of this gene, in random places within the brain seems "responsible" for language..the ability to have pavlov's bell/food thing be "real". th way i am viewing it, is is a key to "abstraction." life >>>does<<<. it doesn't "have". it is a perceptual error to think so. the T&G strongly suggest to me that after paroling out of here..some process keeps processing, with such tasks as recongising loved ones, suffering, delighting, whatever...precisely the same way t does now. the same behaviour, including language, "morality" "custom" "the yasa" can be observed in species ranging from humans, to elephants, to mice. indeed, such behaviours as "mother as first educator" "proper to mourn for th dead and visit their resting place" "go psycho at seeing mother die" "sacrifice for children" "respect for parents' point of view" "obey the consultation" "give respect to the learned" and "work for the good of the whole, not the individual or the subset" are more evident in elephants than most communities i have been around. and the >>behaviour<< endures to the extent it builds "elephantness" or, sigh, "healthy Baha'i community" regardless of what happens to any particular clump of walking dust. when the bahviour is faulty, the the elephant pack or "Bahai community" perishes. Islam does not mean "have a Qu'ran"--it means an action: surrender. i offer that the 'i in Baha'i does not mean "have a stairway to heaven"--it means "coming from" or "following" the Splendour/Glory. th answer is yes? the answer is always yes. :"Such as communicate the generating influence and such as receive its impact are indeed created through the irresistible Word of God which is the Cause of the entire creation, while all else besides His Word are but the creatures and the effects thereof. Verily thy Lord is the Expounder, the All-Wise." __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[email protected] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [email protected] Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[email protected] Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
